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In most cases residential buildings are not the original target, some rockets/drones just miss, some get shot down and fall wherever. It happens to the both sid
by usrnm 2y ago
In most cases residential buildings are not the original target, some rockets/drones just miss, some get shot down and fall wherever. It happens to the both sides of the front line, btw. Not to downplay the humanitarian catastrophe that is the current war on Ukraine, but it's just a war, no need to add drama, there's more than enough as it is.
- magicalist 2y agoThis is really weird to suggest that Russia hasn't systematically bombed a very large number of residential areas. That's been their SOP in several conflicts.
- linuxftw 2y agoThey don't bomb residential buildings in areas with civilians present. The 'residential areas' they are fighting against are positions taken up by Ukranian soldiers. The Russians are happy to go block by block with artillery to remove the opposing soldiers, they're not targeting civilians.
- dralley 2y agoYou are absolutely wrong. They 100% target civilians - and FFS they will post videos of themselves doing it and brag about it on Telegram and Twitter. Chechnya and the Syrian civil war were no different, but now there's video evidence and admissions of guilt all over the internet (and more than that, they laugh about firefighters and medics being blown up by drones and bombs), and yet still people deny it. It's nuts. If you're saying this stuff, you're either not actually paying attention to the evidence or you're deliberately closing your eyes to it. It's that absurd. https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1858613355734593549 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1858613355734593549 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1853605570844237863 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1853605570844237863 https://tochnyi.info/2024/11/steel-leaves-the-autumn-brings-yet-more-horrors-in-kherson/ https://tochnyi.info/2024/11/steel-leaves-the-autumn-brings-... https://x.com/kelley7622/status/1851283166645858647 https://x.com/kelley7622/status/1851283166645858647 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-troops-killed-civilians-ukraine/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-t... https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/russia-is-using-drones-to-hunt-civilians-in-ukraines-kherson/935024A7-031C-4478-930F-D2A941876B25 https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/russia-is-using... https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1848832251561132221 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1848832251561132221 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1844925970643382547 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1844925970643382547 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1842862546530803759 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1842862546530803759
- linuxftw 2y agoNonsense. The first link is dead. The 2nd link, half the town is already destroyed, as you might be able to see. Anyone still in that area is likely a combatant. Here you can see the area was ordered evacuated OVER A YEAR AGO: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-orders-civilian-evacuation-in-russia-controlled-kherson-region-4391207 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-orders-civilian-evac... If you see a drone striking a home, it's because UAF setup a position there, not because they're targeting civilians.
- dralley 2y agoThe first link is not dead. None of them are. Kherson is not empty of civilians. Your link only claims that "southern" Kherson was evacuated. If you look at a map it's pretty clear why - it's at low elevation and hard to reach due to various waterways. It was also hit hard by the flooding after the Khakovka dam was destroyed. It is extremely trivial to find out that Kherson still has a significant civilian presence, although many have indeed left. And FFS you can see in the video that several of the people targeted are clearly elderly or medics / firefighters. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155191 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155191 https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/22/europe/kherson-russia-advance-ukraine-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/22/europe/kherson-russia-advance... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMpTUOgqkuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMpTUOgqkuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zye_R7M0nFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zye_R7M0nFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8C2k37I6N8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8C2k37I6N8 So again, if you don't actually know what you're talking about, maybe pipe down about Ukraine.
- linuxftw 2y agoMaybe you should let go of the propaganda narrative. If there are still significant numbers of civilians in a city that's actively being shelled, especially for a country the size of Ukraine, then the authorities there are obviously morons. From the CNN article: > At 4 a.m. on Tuesday morning, three shells landed near the home of Hrigorii, who did not want to give his surname. He said he believes a nearby hospital was the intended target. That's talking about artillery, that's what 'shells' are. Artillery has a very finite range. Why in God's name are their still civilians in the city, let alone WITHIN ARTILLERY RANGE? That's beyond stupid. So either these stories are complete fabrications, which is likely, or there will need to be a lot of Ukranians tried for war crimes after they finally surrender.
- aguaviva 2y agoThey very clearly aren't suggesting that there have been no intentional strikes on residential targets. Only that most residential hits are not in that category. The majority do seem to be misses / redirects. Language is tricky sometimes, I know. But in this case, it really wasn't.
- dralley 2y agoThat... is not obvious at all. When hospitals and supermarkets are being hit repeatedly by multiple "precision" munitions, and then (sometimes) the Russians post drone footage of the impacts because they just happened to have been watching that location, and when the Russians have also used video footage of strikes on Syrian hospitals to market the effectiveness of their munitions, it's not crazy to suggest that they engage in terror bombing tactics.
- aguaviva 2y agoThat... is not obvious at all. Actually it is, and the commenter's language was perfectly clear. If it helps try thinking in terms of, you know, sets and stuff. Don't know what else to tell you.
- oneshtein 2y agoRussians prey on civilians using FPV drones[1]. They clearly see their target. Then they publish video with strikes on civilians in Russian Telegram channels and have fun. With ballistic missiles they have a lot of fun. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-blMESNanA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-blMESNanA
- aguaviva 2y agoThen they publish video with strikes on civilians in Russian Telegram channels and have fun. Any specific posts you can point to?