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I thought the point was to prosecute them and condemn them to death. Do you think random murder by whoever is upset enough will work out to be fair in the real

I thought the point was to prosecute them and condemn them to death. Do you think random murder by whoever is upset enough will work out to be fair in the real world, not a fantastical one?

harimau777 2y ago
Isn't that the whole point of the social contract? People agree not to take the law into their own hands in exchange for the guarantee that society will protect and benefit them. If society is failing to protect and benefit people then the social contract has already been broken. Stated another way, society's end of the social contract is to make sure that people generally aren't upset enough to commit murder.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
> I thought the point was to prosecute them > Imagine a world where the especially blood-sucking CEOs have a 1/10 chance of being assassinated. Assassination isn’t prosecution. My point is, it’s the fantastical world that actually prosecutes corporate managers for their criminal decisions. Shit, it’s the fantastical world that has American laws which make it illegal for UHC to have the business practice of denying claims by default unless/until they’re positively proven necessary beyond any sliver of doubt. I am not trying to say murder will work to correct corporate behavior, I’m saying that it’s the thing we can see actually happens as an attempt to correct the behavior. It’s not hard to find many examples in this thread of people who think corps get away with too much. That is how one can tell there is a lack of prosecution and/or protection laws. The real world has unfortunate circumstances that encourage this kind of crime because America does not have effective laws/enforcement which curtail the power of the corporations who write said laws. That’s the fantasy. We don’t live in a world where execs can be prosecuted for most of their anti-social decisions, let alone are. I never made a value call about what’s fair, I only pointed out that the idea of prosecution in this context is a fantasy.

I thought the point was to prosecute them and condemn them to death. Do you think random murder by whoever is upset enough will work out to be fair in the real world, not a fantastical one?

harimau777 2y ago

Isn't that the whole point of the social contract? People agree not to take the law into their own hands in exchange for the guarantee that society will protect and benefit them. If society is failing to protect and benefit people then the social contract has already been broken. Stated another way, society's end of the social contract is to make sure that people generally aren't upset enough to commit murder.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago

> I thought the point was to prosecute them > Imagine a world where the especially blood-sucking CEOs have a 1/10 chance of being assassinated. Assassination isn’t prosecution. My point is, it’s the fantastical world that actually prosecutes corporate managers for their criminal decisions. Shit, it’s the fantastical world that has American laws which make it illegal for UHC to have the business practice of denying claims by default unless/until they’re positively proven necessary beyond any sliver of doubt. I am not trying to say murder will work to correct corporate behavior, I’m saying that it’s the thing we can see actually happens as an attempt to correct the behavior. It’s not hard to find many examples in this thread of people who think corps get away with too much. That is how one can tell there is a lack of prosecution and/or protection laws. The real world has unfortunate circumstances that encourage this kind of crime because America does not have effective laws/enforcement which curtail the power of the corporations who write said laws. That’s the fantasy. We don’t live in a world where execs can be prosecuted for most of their anti-social decisions, let alone are. I never made a value call about what’s fair, I only pointed out that the idea of prosecution in this context is a fantasy.