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Economy is economy, sure, but “economy” hides the fact that it is the only option for the vast majority of travelers. Almost everyone here has the financial sec

Economy is economy, sure, but “economy” hides the fact that it is the only option for the vast majority of travelers. Almost everyone here has the financial security to spring for comfort if they want it, but that is not true for the broader population.

arcticbull 2y ago
Totally, so if cost is your primary driver, you would want the sticker price to be as low as possible right? Aren't those the people who are most willing to compromise on 'frills'? This gives them the opportunity to do that in a way bundled fares do not.
- equestria 2y ago
  But that's not making the actual price lower. There are few situations where you don't need carry-on, so almost everyone will end up booking a "cheaper" flight, but then paying extra for carry-on. In fact, obfuscation like that probably allows the airline to charge you more, because you don't get to see all the fees until you commit.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    > There are few situations where you don't need carry-on I have taken tons of flights where I didn’t need a carry on. Either because I already needed to check a bag, or because everything I needed fit in my personal item. > you don’t get to see all the fees until you commit. Not true in my experience. Whenever I’ve booked basic economy it seems like they’re very clear about what’s not included.
    - equestria 2y ago
      So you paid another fee for a checked bag (or soon will, given that more and more airlines are converging on that). Either way, you're paying less for the base fare, but more for extras that most passengers need and that used to be free. As for the second part, I meant "by the time you looked at the dates and hours and clicked on a specific flight".
      - School-Cotton 2y ago
        > So you paid another fee for a checked bag Usually not. Often I only need a personal item. And even when I do need a checked bag, that’s fine if I have to pay for it. But then if I don’t also need a carry-on, why should I be paying the same fare as people who do? > extras…that used to be free Not free, included in the base fare with no possibility to opt out.
      - Gud 2y ago
        I am a frequent traveller. This year so far, 50 flights. I am absolutely for more price options. Why wouldn’t I be? Why would it end up being more expensive?
  - arcticbull 2y ago
    I've never seen an airline that doesn't allow you to confirm what all the fees for ancillary services would be at the time of booking, and if you need to do it right after you pay there's usually a 24h window to refund after booking for no fee.
imgabe 2y ago
And having cheaper economy means it is accessible to more travelers. For some reason people think you can just force companies to offer things at a loss. Requiring all these things you want as mandatory in economy doesn't mean that people with less money will be able to get them. It just means that there will be no airplane tickets they can afford at all.
School-Cotton 2y ago
So what? Are airlines obligated to provide more luxurious service to people than they’re able to pay for? Why exactly? If you think traveling with a carry-on bag is some kind of human right surely the state should be paying for it, not a private business.

arcticbull 2y ago

Totally, so if cost is your primary driver, you would want the sticker price to be as low as possible right? Aren't those the people who are most willing to compromise on 'frills'? This gives them the opportunity to do that in a way bundled fares do not.

equestria 2y ago
But that's not making the actual price lower. There are few situations where you don't need carry-on, so almost everyone will end up booking a "cheaper" flight, but then paying extra for carry-on. In fact, obfuscation like that probably allows the airline to charge you more, because you don't get to see all the fees until you commit.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  > There are few situations where you don't need carry-on I have taken tons of flights where I didn’t need a carry on. Either because I already needed to check a bag, or because everything I needed fit in my personal item. > you don’t get to see all the fees until you commit. Not true in my experience. Whenever I’ve booked basic economy it seems like they’re very clear about what’s not included.
  - equestria 2y ago
    So you paid another fee for a checked bag (or soon will, given that more and more airlines are converging on that). Either way, you're paying less for the base fare, but more for extras that most passengers need and that used to be free. As for the second part, I meant "by the time you looked at the dates and hours and clicked on a specific flight".
    - School-Cotton 2y ago
      > So you paid another fee for a checked bag Usually not. Often I only need a personal item. And even when I do need a checked bag, that’s fine if I have to pay for it. But then if I don’t also need a carry-on, why should I be paying the same fare as people who do? > extras…that used to be free Not free, included in the base fare with no possibility to opt out.
    - Gud 2y ago
      I am a frequent traveller. This year so far, 50 flights. I am absolutely for more price options. Why wouldn’t I be? Why would it end up being more expensive?
- arcticbull 2y ago
  I've never seen an airline that doesn't allow you to confirm what all the fees for ancillary services would be at the time of booking, and if you need to do it right after you pay there's usually a 24h window to refund after booking for no fee.

imgabe 2y ago

And having cheaper economy means it is accessible to more travelers. For some reason people think you can just force companies to offer things at a loss. Requiring all these things you want as mandatory in economy doesn't mean that people with less money will be able to get them. It just means that there will be no airplane tickets they can afford at all.

School-Cotton 2y ago

So what? Are airlines obligated to provide more luxurious service to people than they’re able to pay for? Why exactly? If you think traveling with a carry-on bag is some kind of human right surely the state should be paying for it, not a private business.