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Love the idea. Very curious to see how it will play out. One concern is that the trolls will upmod all stories that are already upmodded (for instance, automa

by Jd 19y ago

Love the idea. Very curious to see how it will play out. One concern is that the trolls will upmod all stories that are already upmodded (for instance, automatically upmodding all comments and links posted by PG) in order to increase their vote's worth. One observes similar things on reddit already. It is much easier psychologically to jump on a trend than to do something truly interesting, but the truly interesting and innovative is rarely awarded immediately with recognition.

palish 19y ago
That's fixed by scaling the vote weight offset by how popular a story is. That is, the first voters on a new story are scaled more than the later voters. Voting on pg's comments and stories probably shouldn't affect vote weight, for the same reason he's not on the leaderboard.
- Jd 19y ago
  Yes, you're right. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon as I was driving around. However, one problem that continues to present itself is the cumulative nature of karma accretion. Only if there is a completely separate scaling mechanism which determines vote weight independent of karma could be this avoided. Otherwise even if an upmodder gets less for voting up PG (or Nostra) stories, they still get something.
  - palish 19y ago
    That isn't necessarily a bad thing, though. It means they're participating in YC news. Besides, I bet the vote weight curve isn't linear.. It's probably logarithmic, so you'll see diminishing returns. The real question to ask is, "Why would people want a large vote weight?" The only malicious reason is to get something meaningless to the frontpage really quickly. But that will still render them powerless immediately if it's flagged as nonsense. Besides, at least one other person will still have to agree with you to get it to the front page. This sort of guard is to prevent your votes from getting things to the front page if you upvote nonsense.

by Jd 19y ago

palish 19y ago

That's fixed by scaling the vote weight offset by how popular a story is. That is, the first voters on a new story are scaled more than the later voters. Voting on pg's comments and stories probably shouldn't affect vote weight, for the same reason he's not on the leaderboard.

Jd 19y ago
Yes, you're right. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon as I was driving around. However, one problem that continues to present itself is the cumulative nature of karma accretion. Only if there is a completely separate scaling mechanism which determines vote weight independent of karma could be this avoided. Otherwise even if an upmodder gets less for voting up PG (or Nostra) stories, they still get something.
- palish 19y ago
  That isn't necessarily a bad thing, though. It means they're participating in YC news. Besides, I bet the vote weight curve isn't linear.. It's probably logarithmic, so you'll see diminishing returns. The real question to ask is, "Why would people want a large vote weight?" The only malicious reason is to get something meaningless to the frontpage really quickly. But that will still render them powerless immediately if it's flagged as nonsense. Besides, at least one other person will still have to agree with you to get it to the front page. This sort of guard is to prevent your votes from getting things to the front page if you upvote nonsense.