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The trouble is that nothing productive was going to come of anything else, either. That’s where these reactions come from.
by vundercind 2y ago
The trouble is that nothing productive was going to come of anything else, either. That’s where these reactions come from.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoYes, there is a lot of frustrations. Voters disagree on what they want. That does not justify people to start shooting people when they dont get their way.
- vundercind 2y agoThe thing you don’t like is that the voters do agree they want this, though.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoWant what? I dont think the majority of Americans endorse vigilante murder of law abiding citizens. That is just a vocal and bloodthirsty segment of the online population.
- vundercind 2y agoLiterally everyone I know IRL was like, “nice. More please.” I was actually surprised and heartened to see the initial HN thread, even, was overwhelmingly supportive. This is top of my list for conversation topics to steer things toward when I’m around Republican relatives, so we’ll have something we can agree on. Law-abiding doesn’t mean much when you can kill lots of people for money and remain within the bounds of the law. Killing one such person is definitely far less bad than killing a bunch of people arbitrarily. Yet only one of these cases is illegal, and it’s the better of the two.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoMore please of what? Vigilante murders?
- justinclift 2y agoCompared to CEO's directing their companies to legally murder people ("law abiding citizens") instead?
- tptacek 2y agoThis is logic that makes sense inside of filter bubbles on the Internet that I think most people --- most people are not in any one particular filter bubble and certainly not this one --- would find absolutely repellant. To put it in perspective: it is literally the logic used by people who shoot up abortion clinics.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoHow do you feel about murdering doctors who demand pay for treatment, citizens that vote against single payer, or people that fail to donate to your gofundme?
- vundercind 2y agoAll of those are extremely different situations, so what are you getting at?
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI see them as essentially the same. All of these people are choosing their financial interests over your health. People are dying from their inaction.
- vundercind 2y agoI can’t begin to relate to seeing someone with a median income failing to donate to some particular go-fund-me as the same as choosing to head an organization that makes more money when people don’t get the health care they need, and overseeing operations that did that even more recklessly than the industry standard. One has taken on a business relationship already and is taking people’s money then screwing them, at a mass scale. The other just didn’t donate to a gofundme that may not even be legit and for someone they have no connection to. Similar reaction for the other examples. I’m baffled that they look similar to anybody at all. [edit] hold on, ok, another angle that may clear up why I’m confused: if my health insurer denies my legit claim, should I be more, less, or equally angry with the leadership of that company, or with every single person in the country who fails to donate to my resulting gofundme? I’m immediately inclined to wish horrible things on one of these groups, and to find the idea of wishing horrible things on the other confusing and repulsive.
- hirvi74 2y agoJustifications are meaningless when the end result is all the matters.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI staunchly disagree with this kind of utilitarianism. The ends do not justify the means.