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I mean idk about you, but I don't want anymore of these people to die. I might not like them, but they're still people.

techjamie 2y ago
Not encouraging it to keep happening, just pointing out the fact that this isn't an effective response. If someone wants to get your information, and is motivated enough to kill you, they will. The best response would be to up security in the short term, and try to change how you work so people aren't so motivated that they'll want to kill you in the long term.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
If you want to be absolutely disgusted by humanity, go over to reddit.com, pick any random post about this event on the frontpage, and look at the thousands of people celebrating Thompson's murder. And begging for more.
- yardie 2y ago
  He was the CEO of a company who used an "AI" to deny over 90% of claims. His choices indirectly impacted the life of millions and possibly killed 1000s prematurely. The healthcare industry had it coming, he just happened to be in the wrong place for it.
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Okay, do rank and file employees have it coming to? Let's say the software engineers who helped create that AI - should they be on the hit list?
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      developers should think long and hard about what they do, where they work and what is the impact of their work on society. if your “ticket” says “do some data mining shit to figure out a way to deny claims” perhaps polishing up your resume is a good idea
      - IncreasePosts 2y ago
        I didn't ask if they need to think long and hard, I asked if they are on the hit list. I guess nurses, and medical coders are on the list too. 400,000 people actually By the way, what do you do for a living?
        OnlineGladiator 2y ago
        If someone did something shitty to contribute to someone else's misery, they shouldn't be surprised the afflicted is upset with them. Where to draw the line for what's shitty and what's an appropriate punishment is subjective, but lawful and ethical only have so much overlap. Job title is irrelevant. Employer is irrelevant. I completely disagree with everything you're advocating for. I've worked at shitty companies and I quit because I didn't want to do shitty things. This is HN. The majority of people here are incredibly privileged and aren't forced to work an immoral job just to afford necessities. Barring extenuating circumstances - which absolutely do not apply to most people here - it is a choice. Anyway, I don't really wanna have a back and forth with you. You come across as incredibly childish to me. I don't respect you enough to care what you think about me and I assume the feeling is mutual.
        IncreasePosts 2y ago
        Sorry, what am I advocating for? I find it interesting that you think I'm childish, whereas there are dozens of people in this hn thread celebrating a man being murdered with a gun in NYC literally 3 feet away from an innocent bystander. That seems pretty childish to me.
        bdangubic 2y ago
        I dont work for UHC or any shitty place like that, my Mama raised me right. if you knowingly and wilfully do something that can cause death of other humans - yes, 100% you might be on someone’s hit list regardless of your profession.
    - xcrunner529 2y ago
      Those poor people doing the Nazi’s bidding putting the people in gas chambers were just rank and file too.
  - RGamma 2y ago
    90? My info was 30
    - yardie 2y ago
      No HCU had a company denial rate of 32%. 2x the industry average. The AI they were using in their approval process was 90%.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  Good! The world is a better place without them. Anytime that is true I will be happy.
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Go kill a random nurse then working for UHG
anonzzzies 2y ago
The people they decline healthcare to are people. Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Sure, I don't condone it and the system must be fixed instead, but 'they are still people' seems not good. A lot of very evil people in history and today are also people.
- QuarterReptile 2y ago
  >Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Parent pointed out that the CEO was a person. Sophistry ensues, where you denied the humanity of the deceased because of your disapproval of his enterprise, but then conclude by appearing to double back and not deny his humanity at the end.
  - xcrunner529 2y ago
    Or asking for treating someone like a human who consistently for decades didn’t do the same. Tough.
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      Not so tough; I would not personally not consider a pencil pusher that causes, indirectly but he knew what he was doing, 100k-1m of deaths and suffering, a human at all. People defend him by saying he was just an accountant; you can say that for a lot of unsavory people throughout history. But I am against insurance as a business at all; it is by design perverse: you want to deny claims, how is or can it be ever good for the client? Where I live, healthcare insurers are not allowed to deny claims, but other insurers can; I always take them to court if they do, even for a few 100 euros. These 'humans' have no right to screw over innocent people without recourse; it's simply stealing and in the case of health or disability it is torture or murder; they need to be held accountable, including the ceo and not just money fines (slap on wrists they are insured for!); prison time. If you deny cancer treatment and it turns out the claim was valid and you had ai decide or someone (or multiple people) knew it was valid but still declined it, that's prison time for negligence, theft and possibly murder (with intent as you knew the outcome and did it anyway); in any other scenario it would be anyway.
mcv 2y ago
I don't want anyone to die, but I feel a lot more empathy with innocent shooting victims than with the CEO of a company known for driving people into bankruptcy or death. Any school shooting victim's life should be considered equally valuable as that of any CEO. Or the lives of people dying from preventable diseases.

Not encouraging it to keep happening, just pointing out the fact that this isn't an effective response. If someone wants to get your information, and is motivated enough to kill you, they will. The best response would be to up security in the short term, and try to change how you work so people aren't so motivated that they'll want to kill you in the long term.

IncreasePosts 2y ago

If you want to be absolutely disgusted by humanity, go over to reddit.com, pick any random post about this event on the frontpage, and look at the thousands of people celebrating Thompson's murder. And begging for more.

yardie 2y ago
He was the CEO of a company who used an "AI" to deny over 90% of claims. His choices indirectly impacted the life of millions and possibly killed 1000s prematurely. The healthcare industry had it coming, he just happened to be in the wrong place for it.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  Okay, do rank and file employees have it coming to? Let's say the software engineers who helped create that AI - should they be on the hit list?
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    developers should think long and hard about what they do, where they work and what is the impact of their work on society. if your “ticket” says “do some data mining shit to figure out a way to deny claims” perhaps polishing up your resume is a good idea
    - IncreasePosts 2y ago
      I didn't ask if they need to think long and hard, I asked if they are on the hit list. I guess nurses, and medical coders are on the list too. 400,000 people actually By the way, what do you do for a living?
      - OnlineGladiator 2y ago
        If someone did something shitty to contribute to someone else's misery, they shouldn't be surprised the afflicted is upset with them. Where to draw the line for what's shitty and what's an appropriate punishment is subjective, but lawful and ethical only have so much overlap. Job title is irrelevant. Employer is irrelevant. I completely disagree with everything you're advocating for. I've worked at shitty companies and I quit because I didn't want to do shitty things. This is HN. The majority of people here are incredibly privileged and aren't forced to work an immoral job just to afford necessities. Barring extenuating circumstances - which absolutely do not apply to most people here - it is a choice. Anyway, I don't really wanna have a back and forth with you. You come across as incredibly childish to me. I don't respect you enough to care what you think about me and I assume the feeling is mutual.
        IncreasePosts 2y ago
        Sorry, what am I advocating for? I find it interesting that you think I'm childish, whereas there are dozens of people in this hn thread celebrating a man being murdered with a gun in NYC literally 3 feet away from an innocent bystander. That seems pretty childish to me.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        I dont work for UHC or any shitty place like that, my Mama raised me right. if you knowingly and wilfully do something that can cause death of other humans - yes, 100% you might be on someone’s hit list regardless of your profession.
  - xcrunner529 2y ago
    Those poor people doing the Nazi’s bidding putting the people in gas chambers were just rank and file too.
- RGamma 2y ago
  90? My info was 30
  - yardie 2y ago
    No HCU had a company denial rate of 32%. 2x the industry average. The AI they were using in their approval process was 90%.
xcrunner529 2y ago
Good! The world is a better place without them. Anytime that is true I will be happy.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  Go kill a random nurse then working for UHG

anonzzzies 2y ago

The people they decline healthcare to are people. Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Sure, I don't condone it and the system must be fixed instead, but 'they are still people' seems not good. A lot of very evil people in history and today are also people.

QuarterReptile 2y ago
>Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Parent pointed out that the CEO was a person. Sophistry ensues, where you denied the humanity of the deceased because of your disapproval of his enterprise, but then conclude by appearing to double back and not deny his humanity at the end.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  Or asking for treating someone like a human who consistently for decades didn’t do the same. Tough.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    Not so tough; I would not personally not consider a pencil pusher that causes, indirectly but he knew what he was doing, 100k-1m of deaths and suffering, a human at all. People defend him by saying he was just an accountant; you can say that for a lot of unsavory people throughout history. But I am against insurance as a business at all; it is by design perverse: you want to deny claims, how is or can it be ever good for the client? Where I live, healthcare insurers are not allowed to deny claims, but other insurers can; I always take them to court if they do, even for a few 100 euros. These 'humans' have no right to screw over innocent people without recourse; it's simply stealing and in the case of health or disability it is torture or murder; they need to be held accountable, including the ceo and not just money fines (slap on wrists they are insured for!); prison time. If you deny cancer treatment and it turns out the claim was valid and you had ai decide or someone (or multiple people) knew it was valid but still declined it, that's prison time for negligence, theft and possibly murder (with intent as you knew the outcome and did it anyway); in any other scenario it would be anyway.

mcv 2y ago

I don't want anyone to die, but I feel a lot more empathy with innocent shooting victims than with the CEO of a company known for driving people into bankruptcy or death. Any school shooting victim's life should be considered equally valuable as that of any CEO. Or the lives of people dying from preventable diseases.