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> it is safe to say now that the events of 2020-2021 were a mass hysteria. Were they? > There have been reported 7,076,316[4] (updated 3 December 2024) confir

> it is safe to say now that the events of 2020-2021 were a mass hysteria. Were they? > There have been reported 7,076,316[4] (updated 3 December 2024) confirmed COVID-induced deaths worldwide. As of January 2023, taking into account likely COVID induced deaths via excess deaths, the 95% confidence interval suggests the pandemic to have caused between 19.1 and 36 million deaths Hmm. I see. Definitely mass hysteria.

123yawaworht456 2y ago
1. how many of those deaths were among healthy people below the age of 50, who constitute 90% or whatever of the workforce? was there any point forcing children and teenagers into confinement for months? 2. did COVID get eradicated in mid-2022, when virtually all supposed countermeasures were abandoned?
- tehjoker 2y ago
  You're right that we are in the zone of intense cognitive dissonance right now. COVID is everywhere but no one does anything. People that don't protect themselves by wearing respirators and cleaning the air will likely pay a price.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > COVID is everywhere but no one does anything The virus is weaker. We understand it better, which means better diagnosis and treatment. And we have vaccines, which reduce the burden on the hospitals.
    - tehjoker 2y ago
      Look out for Long COVID for which there are no approved treatments and a high incidence of between 5-20% only slightly modified by vaccination.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > how many of those deaths were among healthy people below the age of 50 American 25 to 44 year olds experienced a surge in excess deaths peaking near 50% above baseline in 2020 [1]. > was there any point forcing children and teenagers into confinement for months? Weeks to months, probably yes. Months to years, almost certainly not. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
- aguaviva 2y ago
  1(a) - Why does this distinction matter? 1(b) - I don't know. 2 - The current medical consensus is that not only has it not been eradicated -- it likely never will be. Definitely mass hysteria. To a partial extent it was. But it defintely wasn't simply a matter of mass hysteria. Are you wiling to recognize that reality can sometimes have conflicting qualities -- e.g. there can be simultaneously "too much of a reaction" against a perceived threat; but also "some kind of serious response was needed; no one could possibly have known at the time what the optimal response would have been; sometimes it's better to err on the side of caution"? Especially in regard to things like once-per-century pandemics, which are obviously still poorly understood?
- TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
  1. How many would you consider an acceptable number of deaths? 2. No, Covid is still very much around, and people are still very much dying from it. It was the 10th most common cause of deaths in 2023, and a lot of people have lingering symptoms.
  - aakresearch 2y ago
    How many would you consider un-acceptable to the point of introducing 2020-level of insane restrictions?
    - orf 2y ago
      Both of your answers are positive numbers, so at least you can both agree there is a line.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
The response can still be considered mass hysteria if it was disproportionate to 20-40 million deaths or unhelpful in mitigating them.

123yawaworht456 2y ago

1. how many of those deaths were among healthy people below the age of 50, who constitute 90% or whatever of the workforce? was there any point forcing children and teenagers into confinement for months? 2. did COVID get eradicated in mid-2022, when virtually all supposed countermeasures were abandoned?

tehjoker 2y ago
You're right that we are in the zone of intense cognitive dissonance right now. COVID is everywhere but no one does anything. People that don't protect themselves by wearing respirators and cleaning the air will likely pay a price.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > COVID is everywhere but no one does anything The virus is weaker. We understand it better, which means better diagnosis and treatment. And we have vaccines, which reduce the burden on the hospitals.
  - tehjoker 2y ago
    Look out for Long COVID for which there are no approved treatments and a high incidence of between 5-20% only slightly modified by vaccination.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> how many of those deaths were among healthy people below the age of 50 American 25 to 44 year olds experienced a surge in excess deaths peaking near 50% above baseline in 2020 [1]. > was there any point forcing children and teenagers into confinement for months? Weeks to months, probably yes. Months to years, almost certainly not. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
aguaviva 2y ago
1(a) - Why does this distinction matter? 1(b) - I don't know. 2 - The current medical consensus is that not only has it not been eradicated -- it likely never will be. Definitely mass hysteria. To a partial extent it was. But it defintely wasn't simply a matter of mass hysteria. Are you wiling to recognize that reality can sometimes have conflicting qualities -- e.g. there can be simultaneously "too much of a reaction" against a perceived threat; but also "some kind of serious response was needed; no one could possibly have known at the time what the optimal response would have been; sometimes it's better to err on the side of caution"? Especially in regard to things like once-per-century pandemics, which are obviously still poorly understood?
TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
1. How many would you consider an acceptable number of deaths? 2. No, Covid is still very much around, and people are still very much dying from it. It was the 10th most common cause of deaths in 2023, and a lot of people have lingering symptoms.
- aakresearch 2y ago
  How many would you consider un-acceptable to the point of introducing 2020-level of insane restrictions?
  - orf 2y ago
    Both of your answers are positive numbers, so at least you can both agree there is a line.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

The response can still be considered mass hysteria if it was disproportionate to 20-40 million deaths or unhelpful in mitigating them.