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Bugs are simply not comparable to losing 2 aircrafts and killing hundreds of people, furthermore FAANG engineers have little impact on the org individually. But

Bugs are simply not comparable to losing 2 aircrafts and killing hundreds of people, furthermore FAANG engineers have little impact on the org individually. But we already have that kind of threats for malpractice in several fields, if an engineer or doctor makes a mistake resulting in injuries or death they will be held responsible financially and sometimes criminally.

gruez 2y ago
>Bugs are simply not comparable to losing 2 aircrafts and killing hundreds of people Software bugs caused 900 miscarriages of justice and "at least four suicides"[1]. The Crowdstirke bug caused millions of machines to go down and bililons in damage[2]. Sure, that might not compare to crashing 2 planes, but it feels entirely arbitrary to exclude those two cases. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal [2] https://www.cio.com/article/3478068/counting-the-cost-of-crowdstrike-the-bug-that-bit-billions.html https://www.cio.com/article/3478068/counting-the-cost-of-cro... >FAANG engineers have little impact on the org individually Sounds like the "Responsibility will turn out to be so diffuse that no individuals will be found to be liable" excuse a few comments up. FAANG engineers are 100% responsible for memory corruption bugs that they introduce.
ipython 2y ago
One could argue the societal harm from social media could be directly linked to mass events such as https://www.wired.com/story/how-facebooks-rise-fueled-chaos-and-confusion-in-myanmar/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-facebooks-rise-fueled-chaos-..., https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014292121001252 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00142..., and more. The diffuse nature of the after effects of faang engineers actions make them harder to prosecute, but potentially much more devastating than even the tragedy of two airline crashes.
- thmsths 2y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree (although it is extremely hard to quantify the effects of small but widespread harm). But what I am saying is that the FAANG engineer is NOT responsible. The CEO is.
- sensanaty 2y ago
  You won't find me disagreeing with tossing Zucc in jail and losing the keys.

gruez 2y ago

>Bugs are simply not comparable to losing 2 aircrafts and killing hundreds of people Software bugs caused 900 miscarriages of justice and "at least four suicides"[1]. The Crowdstirke bug caused millions of machines to go down and bililons in damage[2]. Sure, that might not compare to crashing 2 planes, but it feels entirely arbitrary to exclude those two cases. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal [2] https://www.cio.com/article/3478068/counting-the-cost-of-crowdstrike-the-bug-that-bit-billions.html https://www.cio.com/article/3478068/counting-the-cost-of-cro... >FAANG engineers have little impact on the org individually Sounds like the "Responsibility will turn out to be so diffuse that no individuals will be found to be liable" excuse a few comments up. FAANG engineers are 100% responsible for memory corruption bugs that they introduce.

ipython 2y ago

One could argue the societal harm from social media could be directly linked to mass events such as https://www.wired.com/story/how-facebooks-rise-fueled-chaos-and-confusion-in-myanmar/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-facebooks-rise-fueled-chaos-..., https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014292121001252 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00142..., and more. The diffuse nature of the after effects of faang engineers actions make them harder to prosecute, but potentially much more devastating than even the tragedy of two airline crashes.

thmsths 2y ago
I don't necessarily disagree (although it is extremely hard to quantify the effects of small but widespread harm). But what I am saying is that the FAANG engineer is NOT responsible. The CEO is.
sensanaty 2y ago
You won't find me disagreeing with tossing Zucc in jail and losing the keys.