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I am using more Claude.ai these days, but the limitations for paying accounts do apply to ChatGPT as well. I find it a terrible business practice to be complet

I am using more Claude.ai these days, but the limitations for paying accounts do apply to ChatGPT as well. I find it a terrible business practice to be completely opaque and vague about limits. Even worse, the limits seem to be dynamic and change all the time. I understand that there is a lot of usage happening, but most likely it means that the $20 per month is too cheap anyway, if an average user like myself can so easily hit the limits. I use Claude for work, I really love the projects where I can throw in context and documentation and the fact that it can create artifacts like presentation slides. BUT because I rely on Claude for work, it is unacceptable for me to see occasional warnings coming up that I have reached a given limit. I would happily pay double or even triple for a non-limited experience (or at least know what limit I get when purchasing a plan). AI providers, please make that happen soon.

adastra22 2y ago
It’s insane to me that they don’t have a “pay $10 to have this temporary limit lifted” micro transaction model. They are leaving money on the table.
- treme 2y ago
  they are optimizing for new accounts/market share over short term rev
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Which pushes customers to other services when they are unable to provide.
- eknkc 2y ago
  They seem to lack capacity at the moment though
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Which price discovery tools would fix.
    - anticensor 2y ago
      No, it's energy bound.
- tiahura 2y ago
  Or the reverse, slow reasoning.
extr 2y ago
Yeah it's crazy to me you can't just 10x your price to 10x your usage (since you could kind of do this manually by creating more accounts). I would easily pay $200/month for 10x usage - especially now with MCP servers where Claude Desktop + vanilla VS Code is arguably more effective than Cursor/Windsurf.
- dennisy 2y ago
  Oh very intriguing! Could you please elaborate how you are using MCP servers with VS code for coding?
  - rahimnathwani 2y ago
    Just use the Filesystem MCP Server, and give it access to the repo you're working on: https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers/tree/main/src/filesystem https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers/tree/main/sr... This way you will still be in control of commits and pushes. So far I've used this to understand parts of a code base, and to make edits to a folder of markdown files.
    - trees101 2y ago
      how is that better than AI Coding tools? They do more sophisticated things such as creating compressed representations of the code that fit better into the context window. E.g https://aider.chat/docs/repomap.html https://aider.chat/docs/repomap.html. Also they can use multiple models for different tasks, Cursor does this, so can Aider: https://aider.chat/2024/09/26/architect.html https://aider.chat/2024/09/26/architect.html
      - rahimnathwani 2y ago
        I answered a comment asking how to do it. I didn't say it was better!
        trees101 2y ago
sdwr 2y ago
If you go through the API (with chatGPT at least), you pay per request and are never limited. I personally hate the feeling of being nickeled-and-dimed, but it might be what you are looking for.
- deleted 2y ago
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accrual 2y ago
> I find it a terrible business practice to be completely opaque and vague about limits. Even worse, the limits seem to be dynamic and change all the time. Here are some things I've noticed about this, at least in the "free" tier web models since that's all I typically need. * ChatGPT has never denied a response but I notice the output slows down during increased demand. I'd rather have a good quality response that takes longer than no response. After reaching the limit, the model quality is reduced and there's a message indicating when you can resume using the better model. * Claude will pop-up messages like "due to unexpected demand..." and will either downgrade to Haiku or reject the request altogether. I've even observed Claude yanking responses back, it will be mid-way through a function and it just disappears and asks to try again later. Like ChatGPT, eventually there's a message about your quota freeing up at a later time. * Copilot, at least the free tier found on Bing, at least tells you how many responses you can expect in the form of a "1/20" status text. I rarely use Copilot or Bing but it demonstrates it's totally possible to show this kind of status to the user - ChatGPT and Claude just prefer to slow down, drop model size, or reject the request. It makes sense that the limits are dynamic though. The services likely have a somewhat fixed capacity but demand will ebb and flow, so it makes sense to expand/contact availability on free tiers and perhaps paid tiers as well.
- KTibow 2y ago
  I believe the "1/20" indicator on Copilot was added back when it was unhinged to try to prevent users from getting it to act up, and it has been removed in the latest redesign

adastra22 2y ago

It’s insane to me that they don’t have a “pay $10 to have this temporary limit lifted” micro transaction model. They are leaving money on the table.

treme 2y ago
they are optimizing for new accounts/market share over short term rev
- adastra22 2y ago
  Which pushes customers to other services when they are unable to provide.
eknkc 2y ago
They seem to lack capacity at the moment though
- adastra22 2y ago
  Which price discovery tools would fix.
  - anticensor 2y ago
    No, it's energy bound.
tiahura 2y ago
Or the reverse, slow reasoning.

extr 2y ago

Yeah it's crazy to me you can't just 10x your price to 10x your usage (since you could kind of do this manually by creating more accounts). I would easily pay $200/month for 10x usage - especially now with MCP servers where Claude Desktop + vanilla VS Code is arguably more effective than Cursor/Windsurf.

dennisy 2y ago
Oh very intriguing! Could you please elaborate how you are using MCP servers with VS code for coding?
- rahimnathwani 2y ago
  Just use the Filesystem MCP Server, and give it access to the repo you're working on: https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers/tree/main/src/filesystem https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers/tree/main/sr... This way you will still be in control of commits and pushes. So far I've used this to understand parts of a code base, and to make edits to a folder of markdown files.
  - trees101 2y ago
    how is that better than AI Coding tools? They do more sophisticated things such as creating compressed representations of the code that fit better into the context window. E.g https://aider.chat/docs/repomap.html https://aider.chat/docs/repomap.html. Also they can use multiple models for different tasks, Cursor does this, so can Aider: https://aider.chat/2024/09/26/architect.html https://aider.chat/2024/09/26/architect.html
    - rahimnathwani 2y ago
      I answered a comment asking how to do it. I didn't say it was better!
      - trees101 2y ago

sdwr 2y ago

If you go through the API (with chatGPT at least), you pay per request and are never limited. I personally hate the feeling of being nickeled-and-dimed, but it might be what you are looking for.

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accrual 2y ago

> I find it a terrible business practice to be completely opaque and vague about limits. Even worse, the limits seem to be dynamic and change all the time. Here are some things I've noticed about this, at least in the "free" tier web models since that's all I typically need. * ChatGPT has never denied a response but I notice the output slows down during increased demand. I'd rather have a good quality response that takes longer than no response. After reaching the limit, the model quality is reduced and there's a message indicating when you can resume using the better model. * Claude will pop-up messages like "due to unexpected demand..." and will either downgrade to Haiku or reject the request altogether. I've even observed Claude yanking responses back, it will be mid-way through a function and it just disappears and asks to try again later. Like ChatGPT, eventually there's a message about your quota freeing up at a later time. * Copilot, at least the free tier found on Bing, at least tells you how many responses you can expect in the form of a "1/20" status text. I rarely use Copilot or Bing but it demonstrates it's totally possible to show this kind of status to the user - ChatGPT and Claude just prefer to slow down, drop model size, or reject the request. It makes sense that the limits are dynamic though. The services likely have a somewhat fixed capacity but demand will ebb and flow, so it makes sense to expand/contact availability on free tiers and perhaps paid tiers as well.

KTibow 2y ago
I believe the "1/20" indicator on Copilot was added back when it was unhinged to try to prevent users from getting it to act up, and it has been removed in the latest redesign