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I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non w

by asdff 2y ago

I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.

ra7 2y ago
> In what way is it non working at this point? Because you're in the driver's seat supervising at all times? If it worked fully autonomously, you would be in the backseat.
- asdff 2y ago
  It does work fully autonomously. The fact that you are "supervising it" is a lie to regulators. No one has the reaction time to take the wheel and get in control of the car in the event of a situation where the autopilot fails. people don't even have the reaction time to do that when they are already in control of a car and something unfolds in front of them.
RivieraKid 2y ago
But not with a sufficient reliability and safety. You need that to do what Waymo does. Waymo could do highways 15 years ago, right now they use highways in autonomous mode but only with employees or empty, so they will presumably launch soon. Imagine 2 drivers, one does something dangerous every hour, the other every 1000 hours. If you observe them for one hour, they may appear identical to you. Yet, one is 1000x better.
danans 2y ago
> I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me ... > In what way is it non working at this point? It's killing people: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-full-self-driving-investigation-crashes https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-ful...
- asdff 2y ago
  What like other drivers too?
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
It's not "full" self driving despite their advertisements (which shouldn't even be legal to use). It can't handle basic weather or bad drivers or confusing road markings. Granted, neither can many humans. But the bar should be many times higher if the operators are relieved of liability.
- asdff 2y ago
  Anecdotally speaking it drives around LA county better than waymo. Maybe the weather isn't bad but the road markings especially on cement roads are often pretty shit compared to other parts of the country and hard for me to even see at night with my own human eyes.

by asdff 2y ago

ra7 2y ago

> In what way is it non working at this point? Because you're in the driver's seat supervising at all times? If it worked fully autonomously, you would be in the backseat.

asdff 2y ago
It does work fully autonomously. The fact that you are "supervising it" is a lie to regulators. No one has the reaction time to take the wheel and get in control of the car in the event of a situation where the autopilot fails. people don't even have the reaction time to do that when they are already in control of a car and something unfolds in front of them.

RivieraKid 2y ago

But not with a sufficient reliability and safety. You need that to do what Waymo does. Waymo could do highways 15 years ago, right now they use highways in autonomous mode but only with employees or empty, so they will presumably launch soon. Imagine 2 drivers, one does something dangerous every hour, the other every 1000 hours. If you observe them for one hour, they may appear identical to you. Yet, one is 1000x better.

danans 2y ago

> I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me ... > In what way is it non working at this point? It's killing people: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-full-self-driving-investigation-crashes https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-ful...

asdff 2y ago
What like other drivers too?

PittleyDunkin 2y ago

It's not "full" self driving despite their advertisements (which shouldn't even be legal to use). It can't handle basic weather or bad drivers or confusing road markings. Granted, neither can many humans. But the bar should be many times higher if the operators are relieved of liability.

asdff 2y ago
Anecdotally speaking it drives around LA county better than waymo. Maybe the weather isn't bad but the road markings especially on cement roads are often pretty shit compared to other parts of the country and hard for me to even see at night with my own human eyes.