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The bigger question is, how can Tesla with it's non-working "full self driving" compete with Waymo's working actual self-driving.

by tomp 2y ago

asdff 2y ago
I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.
- ra7 2y ago
  > In what way is it non working at this point? Because you're in the driver's seat supervising at all times? If it worked fully autonomously, you would be in the backseat.
  - asdff 2y ago
    It does work fully autonomously. The fact that you are "supervising it" is a lie to regulators. No one has the reaction time to take the wheel and get in control of the car in the event of a situation where the autopilot fails. people don't even have the reaction time to do that when they are already in control of a car and something unfolds in front of them.
- RivieraKid 2y ago
  But not with a sufficient reliability and safety. You need that to do what Waymo does. Waymo could do highways 15 years ago, right now they use highways in autonomous mode but only with employees or empty, so they will presumably launch soon. Imagine 2 drivers, one does something dangerous every hour, the other every 1000 hours. If you observe them for one hour, they may appear identical to you. Yet, one is 1000x better.
- danans 2y ago
  > I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me ... > In what way is it non working at this point? It's killing people: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-full-self-driving-investigation-crashes https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-ful...
  - asdff 2y ago
    What like other drivers too?
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  It's not "full" self driving despite their advertisements (which shouldn't even be legal to use). It can't handle basic weather or bad drivers or confusing road markings. Granted, neither can many humans. But the bar should be many times higher if the operators are relieved of liability.
  - asdff 2y ago
    Anecdotally speaking it drives around LA county better than waymo. Maybe the weather isn't bad but the road markings especially on cement roads are often pretty shit compared to other parts of the country and hard for me to even see at night with my own human eyes.
maverickmax90 2y ago
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- rurp 2y ago
  Literally the company selling FSD doesn't think that it's actually fully self driving. They strongly imply that it is in their consumer marketing, and have done so for many years, but any time Tesla interacts with regulators or the legal realm they are adamant that the system isn't level 4 or 5, and the human driver is 100% responsible for handling any and all mistakes.
sixQuarks 2y ago
How about this? Tesla’s latest FSD beat Waymo by 30 minutes. Same route and same time of day. https://youtu.be/CfX8Lu9MHa0?si=cOYWNXjPiYP9R6L_ https://youtu.be/CfX8Lu9MHa0?si=cOYWNXjPiYP9R6L_
- ra7 2y ago
  > Same route and same time of day. Just a small difference: one of them did it without a driver.
- magicalist 2y ago
  This is literally just a video of getting somewhere midday in LA via highway vs surface streets? Waymos don't drive on highways in LA yet (just in the bay area, I think?)
fixprix 2y ago
That’s a non issue. FSD is quickly approaching self driving in all scenarios. Waymo is limited specific cities and surface streets. In a way Waymo is behind, they can’t scale fast enough. Their vehicles are far from optimal and expensive. When CyberCab comes around it will blow past Waymo with ease.
- ra7 2y ago
  Not if CyberCab doesn’t have working software. FSD has a disengagement rate in the doubt digits according to community trackers. They are a long way away from reliability needed to remove the driver. They won’t be “blowing past” anyone for the foreseeable future.

The bigger question is, how can Tesla with it's non-working "full self driving" compete with Waymo's working actual self-driving.

by tomp 2y ago

The bigger question is, how can Tesla with it's non-working "full self driving" compete with Waymo's working actual self-driving.

asdff 2y ago

I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.

ra7 2y ago
> In what way is it non working at this point? Because you're in the driver's seat supervising at all times? If it worked fully autonomously, you would be in the backseat.
- asdff 2y ago
  It does work fully autonomously. The fact that you are "supervising it" is a lie to regulators. No one has the reaction time to take the wheel and get in control of the car in the event of a situation where the autopilot fails. people don't even have the reaction time to do that when they are already in control of a car and something unfolds in front of them.
RivieraKid 2y ago
But not with a sufficient reliability and safety. You need that to do what Waymo does. Waymo could do highways 15 years ago, right now they use highways in autonomous mode but only with employees or empty, so they will presumably launch soon. Imagine 2 drivers, one does something dangerous every hour, the other every 1000 hours. If you observe them for one hour, they may appear identical to you. Yet, one is 1000x better.
danans 2y ago
> I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me ... > In what way is it non working at this point? It's killing people: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-full-self-driving-investigation-crashes https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-ful...
- asdff 2y ago
  What like other drivers too?
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
It's not "full" self driving despite their advertisements (which shouldn't even be legal to use). It can't handle basic weather or bad drivers or confusing road markings. Granted, neither can many humans. But the bar should be many times higher if the operators are relieved of liability.
- asdff 2y ago
  Anecdotally speaking it drives around LA county better than waymo. Maybe the weather isn't bad but the road markings especially on cement roads are often pretty shit compared to other parts of the country and hard for me to even see at night with my own human eyes.

maverickmax90 2y ago

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rurp 2y ago
Literally the company selling FSD doesn't think that it's actually fully self driving. They strongly imply that it is in their consumer marketing, and have done so for many years, but any time Tesla interacts with regulators or the legal realm they are adamant that the system isn't level 4 or 5, and the human driver is 100% responsible for handling any and all mistakes.

sixQuarks 2y ago

How about this? Tesla’s latest FSD beat Waymo by 30 minutes. Same route and same time of day. https://youtu.be/CfX8Lu9MHa0?si=cOYWNXjPiYP9R6L_ https://youtu.be/CfX8Lu9MHa0?si=cOYWNXjPiYP9R6L_

ra7 2y ago
> Same route and same time of day. Just a small difference: one of them did it without a driver.
magicalist 2y ago
This is literally just a video of getting somewhere midday in LA via highway vs surface streets? Waymos don't drive on highways in LA yet (just in the bay area, I think?)

fixprix 2y ago

That’s a non issue. FSD is quickly approaching self driving in all scenarios. Waymo is limited specific cities and surface streets. In a way Waymo is behind, they can’t scale fast enough. Their vehicles are far from optimal and expensive. When CyberCab comes around it will blow past Waymo with ease.

ra7 2y ago
Not if CyberCab doesn’t have working software. FSD has a disengagement rate in the doubt digits according to community trackers. They are a long way away from reliability needed to remove the driver. They won’t be “blowing past” anyone for the foreseeable future.