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Cybertruck was probably the last gasp for the fumes of Elon's impenetrable (at the time) persona of a wunderkind. This is probably where the memeing was more im

Cybertruck was probably the last gasp for the fumes of Elon's impenetrable (at the time) persona of a wunderkind. This is probably where the memeing was more important than the product, which is almost certainly why the product 1) sucks and 2) is failing. Pre-Cybertruck, it felt like Tesla cared about a product first, and the memeing was just a cute bit of personality in everything (fart modes, ludicrous speed, etc). After that, it's like _everything_ was about Elon's popularity and whether it was a good product or not was secondary. Now that the Elon bubble burst (including my own), it's much easier to see the crazy hype bubbles he managed to spin around everything -- a poor self driving system (the hints were there), production quality issues (again, the hints were there), safety problems, etc. My impression is that SpaceX has mainly kept out of this, but if Tesla starts to really tank I wonder if he'll turn his eyes on using SpaceX for his own ego-massaging needs.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
The causation also partly runs the other way. Elon originally didn't expect to sell many Cybertrucks. They'd sell a few 10's of thousands of them, using it as a technology test bed for a "real" truck. That explains some of the weird design decisions -- a press brake is cheaper for small production runs than sheet metal stamping. Then they got a million reservations.
- 7e 2y ago
  Source? I've never heard low volume expectations of the Cybertruck in 2019 or before, from Tesla or Elon or anyone else. Maybe retrospectively Musk lied and made it a test bed.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Check the Munro live videos from around that period.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  A million reservations based on optimism if you look at the specs price matrix they were offering. It turns out they can’t deliver this vehicle model of reasonable quality and for less than $80k-$100k. https://www.torquenews.com/11826/end-only-25-cybertruck-reservation-holders-decided-buy-truck-tesla-officially-finishes https://www.torquenews.com/11826/end-only-25-cybertruck-rese... https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-struggling-find-buyers-79990-cybertruck-finishes-entire-us-reservation-list-9-days https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-struggling-find-buyer... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/official-2024-cybertruck-pricing-specs-mileage-range-dimensions-weight-info.10016/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/official-... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/attachments/2024-cybertruck-prices-and-range-jpg.30642/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/attachments/2024-... Tesla won't accept Cybertrucks as trade ins, they know there is no market for them. https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2%80%9Cnot-accepting-cybertruck-trade-ins%E2%80%9D.31363/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2%80%9Cnot-accepting-cybertruck-trade-ins%E2%80%9D.31363/post-550890 https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2... > Yeah, never in a million years did I think purchasing the CyberTruck for $20K to keep my place in line would involve complete and total failure of the drive train when the converter went bad 4 days after buying it in March and waiting an additional 3 weeks for a repair with no loaner or compensation. I also never expected several additional recalls and now the inverter recall which drastically increases my risk of an accident. My CyberTruck is my primary vehicle and Tesla has informed me that it here’s no time line of when they will receive the replacement part. I think I’m well within my right to trade in a vehicle that I overpaid for that clearly doesn’t run as intended. There have been so many misleading statements about this vehicle for the last 5 years, we just accept them because what other choice do we have? > the CyberTruck was my 4th Tesla vehicle in the last decade… Tesla service has dropped off a cliff.
qwerpy 2y ago
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- secstate 2y ago
  Pretty sure the CT is not really a truck in the way an F150 is. Plenty of folks still get trucks to use as cars, but everyone I know who got a CT replaced a large SUV and use it mostly as a car with a big trunk.
  - qwerpy 2y ago
    The CT isn't great as a large SUV replacement for moving people, because it lacks a 3rd row. It's also not a great ICE truck replacement due to EV trucks having terrible range when towing. But as a tech bro who doesn't do "real truck stuff" and is done having kids (2), you're right, it's a car with a big trunk.
fixprix 2y ago
Cybertruck production was halted for battery supply issues. It has already has a production rate higher than its rival EV trucks and has outsold them as well this year. https://umva.us/news/23529 https://umva.us/news/23529 Castings piling up waiting for batteries. https://x.com/joetegtmeyer/status/1864438526487437502 https://x.com/joetegtmeyer/status/1864438526487437502 Self driving also works amazing, 90% of my driving is handled by it. Every version we are seeing step change improvements. v13 only has continued the trend. https://youtu.be/iYlQjINzO_o https://youtu.be/iYlQjINzO_o
- teachrdan 2y ago
  > It has already has a production rate higher than its rival EV trucks and has outsold them as well this year. This struck me as dead wrong, so I looked it up. You're dead wrong. BUT, you're less-dead wrong than I expected: Estimated sales numbers for 2024 as of 11/23/2024: Tesla CT: 16,000 Rivian R1T: 16,312 Ford F150 Lightning: 22,807 I'm honestly surprised the CT is estimated to have sold so many trucks! But the Ford sold over 40% more. But as per the original article: Whomst amongst us can say whether the line was shut down due to low demand or to increase production / retool for a cheaper line? https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/ford-f-150-lightning-sales-numbers-figures-results-third-quarter-2024-q3/ https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/ford-f-150-lightning-sales...
  - DoesntMatter22 2y ago
    Well you moved the goal posts from what he originally said which was that the production rate was higher not that it sold more cars this year. Cybertruck has been ramping this year. And he's right as cyber truck is now the third best selling EV right now https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1gal5ds/tesla_cybertruck_becomes_third_best_selling_ev_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1gal5ds/tesla_cybertr...
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      > Well you moved the goal posts from what he originally said which was that the production rate was higher not that it sold more cars this year. What do these words: > has outsold them as well this year. mean?
DoesntMatter22 2y ago
Self driving in 13.2 in incredible. Calling it a poor self driving system? Okay compared to what exactly. Tesla is still very profitable so I don't see what bubble has popped except for maybe your perception of him.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  Tesla is very profitable but company's evaluation is not based on car sales and their current profits off car sales. If it was it be a bubble bigger that .com bubble. Robotaxi is going nowhere and their competitors are far ahead of them and Elon keeps moving the goalposts with it (it won't ever happen). the self-driving is great until it is not, we'll unfortunately get another story (probably out of Bay Area) about someone using 13.x that crashes into something. his perception I don't think changed much on the business side - he is a great salesman - much better salesman of shit he doesn't (and might not ever) have than of the shit he does though...
  - DoesntMatter22 2y ago
    Which competitors are ahead of them and how are they ahead exactly? They have the best selling vehicle in the world...
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/ https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/ and they are not even in top-10 in car sales :) even if they were their current market evaluation would be still insane without robotaxi and all other BS Elon is selling to investors
      - DoesntMatter22 2y ago
        Way more is a joke. They cant even drive on on highways. They cost a lot more and themselves have frequent interventions. No they aren't top 10 in sales yet but they do have the best selling vehicle on the planet. And are profitable where others in the top 10 are not. Many are laden with huge debts and Nissan and Volkswagen have said they are in trouble where as tesla is not.
djkivi 2y ago
When your personal net worth is over 300 billion I don’t think the cybertruck will make any difference to Elons persona as a wunderkind.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

The causation also partly runs the other way. Elon originally didn't expect to sell many Cybertrucks. They'd sell a few 10's of thousands of them, using it as a technology test bed for a "real" truck. That explains some of the weird design decisions -- a press brake is cheaper for small production runs than sheet metal stamping. Then they got a million reservations.

7e 2y ago
Source? I've never heard low volume expectations of the Cybertruck in 2019 or before, from Tesla or Elon or anyone else. Maybe retrospectively Musk lied and made it a test bed.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Check the Munro live videos from around that period.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
A million reservations based on optimism if you look at the specs price matrix they were offering. It turns out they can’t deliver this vehicle model of reasonable quality and for less than $80k-$100k. https://www.torquenews.com/11826/end-only-25-cybertruck-reservation-holders-decided-buy-truck-tesla-officially-finishes https://www.torquenews.com/11826/end-only-25-cybertruck-rese... https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-struggling-find-buyers-79990-cybertruck-finishes-entire-us-reservation-list-9-days https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-struggling-find-buyer... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/official-2024-cybertruck-pricing-specs-mileage-range-dimensions-weight-info.10016/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/official-... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/attachments/2024-cybertruck-prices-and-range-jpg.30642/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/attachments/2024-... Tesla won't accept Cybertrucks as trade ins, they know there is no market for them. https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2%80%9Cnot-accepting-cybertruck-trade-ins%E2%80%9D.31363/ https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2... https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2%80%9Cnot-accepting-cybertruck-trade-ins%E2%80%9D.31363/post-550890 https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/tesla-%E2... > Yeah, never in a million years did I think purchasing the CyberTruck for $20K to keep my place in line would involve complete and total failure of the drive train when the converter went bad 4 days after buying it in March and waiting an additional 3 weeks for a repair with no loaner or compensation. I also never expected several additional recalls and now the inverter recall which drastically increases my risk of an accident. My CyberTruck is my primary vehicle and Tesla has informed me that it here’s no time line of when they will receive the replacement part. I think I’m well within my right to trade in a vehicle that I overpaid for that clearly doesn’t run as intended. There have been so many misleading statements about this vehicle for the last 5 years, we just accept them because what other choice do we have? > the CyberTruck was my 4th Tesla vehicle in the last decade… Tesla service has dropped off a cliff.

qwerpy 2y ago

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secstate 2y ago
Pretty sure the CT is not really a truck in the way an F150 is. Plenty of folks still get trucks to use as cars, but everyone I know who got a CT replaced a large SUV and use it mostly as a car with a big trunk.
- qwerpy 2y ago
  The CT isn't great as a large SUV replacement for moving people, because it lacks a 3rd row. It's also not a great ICE truck replacement due to EV trucks having terrible range when towing. But as a tech bro who doesn't do "real truck stuff" and is done having kids (2), you're right, it's a car with a big trunk.

fixprix 2y ago

Cybertruck production was halted for battery supply issues. It has already has a production rate higher than its rival EV trucks and has outsold them as well this year. https://umva.us/news/23529 https://umva.us/news/23529 Castings piling up waiting for batteries. https://x.com/joetegtmeyer/status/1864438526487437502 https://x.com/joetegtmeyer/status/1864438526487437502 Self driving also works amazing, 90% of my driving is handled by it. Every version we are seeing step change improvements. v13 only has continued the trend. https://youtu.be/iYlQjINzO_o https://youtu.be/iYlQjINzO_o

teachrdan 2y ago
> It has already has a production rate higher than its rival EV trucks and has outsold them as well this year. This struck me as dead wrong, so I looked it up. You're dead wrong. BUT, you're less-dead wrong than I expected: Estimated sales numbers for 2024 as of 11/23/2024: Tesla CT: 16,000 Rivian R1T: 16,312 Ford F150 Lightning: 22,807 I'm honestly surprised the CT is estimated to have sold so many trucks! But the Ford sold over 40% more. But as per the original article: Whomst amongst us can say whether the line was shut down due to low demand or to increase production / retool for a cheaper line? https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/ford-f-150-lightning-sales-numbers-figures-results-third-quarter-2024-q3/ https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/ford-f-150-lightning-sales...
- DoesntMatter22 2y ago
  Well you moved the goal posts from what he originally said which was that the production rate was higher not that it sold more cars this year. Cybertruck has been ramping this year. And he's right as cyber truck is now the third best selling EV right now https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1gal5ds/tesla_cybertruck_becomes_third_best_selling_ev_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1gal5ds/tesla_cybertr...
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    > Well you moved the goal posts from what he originally said which was that the production rate was higher not that it sold more cars this year. What do these words: > has outsold them as well this year. mean?

DoesntMatter22 2y ago

Self driving in 13.2 in incredible. Calling it a poor self driving system? Okay compared to what exactly. Tesla is still very profitable so I don't see what bubble has popped except for maybe your perception of him.

bdangubic 2y ago
Tesla is very profitable but company's evaluation is not based on car sales and their current profits off car sales. If it was it be a bubble bigger that .com bubble. Robotaxi is going nowhere and their competitors are far ahead of them and Elon keeps moving the goalposts with it (it won't ever happen). the self-driving is great until it is not, we'll unfortunately get another story (probably out of Bay Area) about someone using 13.x that crashes into something. his perception I don't think changed much on the business side - he is a great salesman - much better salesman of shit he doesn't (and might not ever) have than of the shit he does though...
- DoesntMatter22 2y ago
  Which competitors are ahead of them and how are they ahead exactly? They have the best selling vehicle in the world...
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/ https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/ and they are not even in top-10 in car sales :) even if they were their current market evaluation would be still insane without robotaxi and all other BS Elon is selling to investors
    - DoesntMatter22 2y ago
      Way more is a joke. They cant even drive on on highways. They cost a lot more and themselves have frequent interventions. No they aren't top 10 in sales yet but they do have the best selling vehicle on the planet. And are profitable where others in the top 10 are not. Many are laden with huge debts and Nissan and Volkswagen have said they are in trouble where as tesla is not.

djkivi 2y ago

When your personal net worth is over 300 billion I don’t think the cybertruck will make any difference to Elons persona as a wunderkind.