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You're missing the point - I think people involved in education should put the extra effort in to not use things like Minecraft, and should explicitly search fo

You're missing the point - I think people involved in education should put the extra effort in to not use things like Minecraft, and should explicitly search for more "community-friendly" projects, based on Free Software. If none existed, it'd be possible to understand. If one did exist, and it was really well-documented, with a thriving community, and loads of care put in to modding as a primary facet of the game rather than a sort of add-on, well then... it gets harder to understand. Whether I can play around with these ideas on luanti myself is completely beside the point.

eesmith 2y ago
While my point is that they can't know and do everything. Is luanti able to even do these tasks? Depending on how it implements mobs and the physics, it might not be possible, so your "If none exists" might actually be true - you don't know! Help them. Don't be yet another annoying FOSS fan who insists others aren't pure enough.
- sourcepluck 2y ago
  > While my point is that they can't know and do everything. Indeed. If you'll relook at my initial comment, I was literally just saying, I wonder if they're aware of Luanti. > Is luanti able to even do these tasks? Depending on how it implements mobs and the physics, it might not be possible, so your "If none exists" might actually be true - you don't know! Again, yes, I do not know, I was really just saying, I wonder if they know about and have considered Luanti. I have been playing with Luanti now for a total of about one hour, but it seems great, and I was wondering if they knew it's there. > Help them. Don't be yet another annoying FOSS fan who insists others aren't pure enough. Noted. I didn't mean to be, and will be careful not to get up too high on the horse in future. Thanks for the honesty.
  - eesmith 2y ago
    > and I was wondering if they knew it's there The friendliest way is to do one of experiments in luanti, then write them to say you liked the paper, but because you don't like proprietary software, you did it in luanti, and let them know of your success/failure.
    - sourcepluck 2y ago
      I already acquiesced to your basic point, that I should be careful about appearing too "high-horse" about the whole thing. I told you that I really did not mean to, and thanked you for sharing your perception. And yet you're continuing, and pushing it a little step further, and implying that this is about me not liking proprietary software personally. How weird. I don't know how I could have been more explicit. I do not think educators should use proprietary software with children if they have the choice to do otherwise. I'm making an ethical point, in the sense that I believe it should be a general rule. Sometimes making an exception makes sense, sometimes not mentioning the whole thing at all makes sense, the world isn't black and white, sure. But I am not making a point about my personal preferences when it comes to software.
      - eesmith 2y ago
        I'm sorry. I saw that one possibility to resolve 'wondering if they knew it's there' was to email them directly and ask. I was trying to caution you that it would be more friendly to include why you were curious, and to include some detail that tells them it you like their work enough to try it out yourself. > I do not think educators should use proprietary software with children if they have the choice to do otherwise The target audience is college students, not children.

eesmith 2y ago

While my point is that they can't know and do everything. Is luanti able to even do these tasks? Depending on how it implements mobs and the physics, it might not be possible, so your "If none exists" might actually be true - you don't know! Help them. Don't be yet another annoying FOSS fan who insists others aren't pure enough.

sourcepluck 2y ago
> While my point is that they can't know and do everything. Indeed. If you'll relook at my initial comment, I was literally just saying, I wonder if they're aware of Luanti. > Is luanti able to even do these tasks? Depending on how it implements mobs and the physics, it might not be possible, so your "If none exists" might actually be true - you don't know! Again, yes, I do not know, I was really just saying, I wonder if they know about and have considered Luanti. I have been playing with Luanti now for a total of about one hour, but it seems great, and I was wondering if they knew it's there. > Help them. Don't be yet another annoying FOSS fan who insists others aren't pure enough. Noted. I didn't mean to be, and will be careful not to get up too high on the horse in future. Thanks for the honesty.
- eesmith 2y ago
  > and I was wondering if they knew it's there The friendliest way is to do one of experiments in luanti, then write them to say you liked the paper, but because you don't like proprietary software, you did it in luanti, and let them know of your success/failure.
  - sourcepluck 2y ago
    I already acquiesced to your basic point, that I should be careful about appearing too "high-horse" about the whole thing. I told you that I really did not mean to, and thanked you for sharing your perception. And yet you're continuing, and pushing it a little step further, and implying that this is about me not liking proprietary software personally. How weird. I don't know how I could have been more explicit. I do not think educators should use proprietary software with children if they have the choice to do otherwise. I'm making an ethical point, in the sense that I believe it should be a general rule. Sometimes making an exception makes sense, sometimes not mentioning the whole thing at all makes sense, the world isn't black and white, sure. But I am not making a point about my personal preferences when it comes to software.
    - eesmith 2y ago
      I'm sorry. I saw that one possibility to resolve 'wondering if they knew it's there' was to email them directly and ask. I was trying to caution you that it would be more friendly to include why you were curious, and to include some detail that tells them it you like their work enough to try it out yourself. > I do not think educators should use proprietary software with children if they have the choice to do otherwise The target audience is college students, not children.