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70%+ of Americans are happy with their healthcare. I have UHC and I'm happy with my coverage. The comments in the article and your post bring to mind nihilism m

by slibhb 2y ago

70%+ of Americans are happy with their healthcare. I have UHC and I'm happy with my coverage. The comments in the article and your post bring to mind nihilism more than some CEO none of us knew. Edit, source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/327686/americans-satisfaction-health-costs-new-high.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/327686/americans-satisfaction-h... https://i.ibb.co/CzZhS40/image.png https://i.ibb.co/CzZhS40/image.png

antisthenes 2y ago
These kinds of tone-deaf comments try have no place in 2024 when discussing Health Care. It's almost as tone deaf as telling someone who'd just been in a car accident that "I'm fine, and you'll be fine too". Imagine if I wrote "70% of Americans don't really experience racism or discrimination, so it's all fine" ?
- slibhb 2y ago
  Racism is nothing like health care. Health care is a good or service that depends on other people's labor. People do not have a right to other people's labor (no matter how much they insist otherwise). It's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that most Americans are happy with their health care.
  - harimau777 2y ago
    I disagree that people don't have the right to other people's labor. Society is effectively a system where people pool their labor, resources, ability, etc. for mutual benefit. If people can't reasonably expect to gain some of the benefits that other people can provide, then why would they enter into the social contract in the first place?
  - c0nducktr 2y ago
    >People do not have a right to other people's labor Oh god not this nonsense "you're enslaving the doctors" argument. By the way, insurance companies don't provide health care. They're a financial layer set to extract profit from those who need it, and United Healthcare seems to be the best at it.
    - slibhb 2y ago
      That is not, in fact, what insurance is.
      - sumeno 2y ago
        It is not what insurance should be, but it is in practice what private health insurance is.
      - salawat 2y ago
        Insurance is an attempt at statistical multiplexing of a financial resource whose profit taking mechanism is investment of float, and management of spread, leading to perverse incentives when it comes time to actually pay out. As statistical multiplexing usually does, it improves things somewhat when you can't grow things larger, but when done for-profit with dividends, often disincents actually solving the capacity problem.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Racism is nothing like health care. Racism is a lot like classism, though, and the distribution of health care is a consequence of structural classism of capitalist society.
    - slibhb 2y ago
      I don't think racism is much like classism. I'm not sure what your second clause means other than "currently, people with more money can buy more health care". Of course it would be nice if the supply matched the demand r.e. health care. But neither single-payer systems nor more radical "restructurings" have solved that problem.
  - antisthenes 2y ago
    > It's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that most Americans are happy with their health care. You can bring it up and it very well may be factually true, but it's irrelevant to the discussion.
seanicus 2y ago
What's the most serious claim you've had to make with UHC? I fell prey to their AI that (definitely unintentionally) denied 90% of claims. I required surgery for a repetitive stress injury. I fought it and got the surgery done, but it pushed the surgery into the new plan year which I suppose was the original intention. If this was a family member with cancer being treated the same way I'd be significantly more sanguine.
- disqard 2y ago
  Sanguine means "optimistic or positive, especially in an apparently bad or difficult situation". Did you mean to write a different word, or are you saying "if a family member dying of cancer had their treatment delayed, I'd feel more positive"?
  - scarmig 2y ago
    "Sanguinary" might be the intended word here.
- winocm 2y ago
  Emergency surgery that probably would have invariably killed me since the organ was already gangrenous. It got called "medically unnecessary" because apparently the person processing the claim couldn't read the fact that the organ was already dead and stopped at the line "stomach pain". I had SIRS/sepsis right after that, it was fun.
sumeno 2y ago
What % of Americans have had a serious illness or injury and are they in the 70% or the 30%? How many Americans were unable to answer the survey at all because they died from a treatable condition that was denied by their insurance company?
- mac-attack 2y ago
  Literal survivorship bias. Woof
techfeathers 2y ago
Thirty percent is a big number when you’re thinking of consequences like bankruptcy and death.
paxys 2y ago
"70% of Americans are happy with their fire insurance. The ones whose homes burn down aren't, and are saying something about their claims being denied, but they are a minority."

by slibhb 2y ago

antisthenes 2y ago

These kinds of tone-deaf comments try have no place in 2024 when discussing Health Care. It's almost as tone deaf as telling someone who'd just been in a car accident that "I'm fine, and you'll be fine too". Imagine if I wrote "70% of Americans don't really experience racism or discrimination, so it's all fine" ?

slibhb 2y ago
Racism is nothing like health care. Health care is a good or service that depends on other people's labor. People do not have a right to other people's labor (no matter how much they insist otherwise). It's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that most Americans are happy with their health care.
- harimau777 2y ago
  I disagree that people don't have the right to other people's labor. Society is effectively a system where people pool their labor, resources, ability, etc. for mutual benefit. If people can't reasonably expect to gain some of the benefits that other people can provide, then why would they enter into the social contract in the first place?
- c0nducktr 2y ago
  >People do not have a right to other people's labor Oh god not this nonsense "you're enslaving the doctors" argument. By the way, insurance companies don't provide health care. They're a financial layer set to extract profit from those who need it, and United Healthcare seems to be the best at it.
  - slibhb 2y ago
    That is not, in fact, what insurance is.
    - sumeno 2y ago
      It is not what insurance should be, but it is in practice what private health insurance is.
    - salawat 2y ago
      Insurance is an attempt at statistical multiplexing of a financial resource whose profit taking mechanism is investment of float, and management of spread, leading to perverse incentives when it comes time to actually pay out. As statistical multiplexing usually does, it improves things somewhat when you can't grow things larger, but when done for-profit with dividends, often disincents actually solving the capacity problem.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Racism is nothing like health care. Racism is a lot like classism, though, and the distribution of health care is a consequence of structural classism of capitalist society.
  - slibhb 2y ago
    I don't think racism is much like classism. I'm not sure what your second clause means other than "currently, people with more money can buy more health care". Of course it would be nice if the supply matched the demand r.e. health care. But neither single-payer systems nor more radical "restructurings" have solved that problem.
- antisthenes 2y ago
  > It's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that most Americans are happy with their health care. You can bring it up and it very well may be factually true, but it's irrelevant to the discussion.

seanicus 2y ago

What's the most serious claim you've had to make with UHC? I fell prey to their AI that (definitely unintentionally) denied 90% of claims. I required surgery for a repetitive stress injury. I fought it and got the surgery done, but it pushed the surgery into the new plan year which I suppose was the original intention. If this was a family member with cancer being treated the same way I'd be significantly more sanguine.

disqard 2y ago
Sanguine means "optimistic or positive, especially in an apparently bad or difficult situation". Did you mean to write a different word, or are you saying "if a family member dying of cancer had their treatment delayed, I'd feel more positive"?
- scarmig 2y ago
  "Sanguinary" might be the intended word here.
winocm 2y ago
Emergency surgery that probably would have invariably killed me since the organ was already gangrenous. It got called "medically unnecessary" because apparently the person processing the claim couldn't read the fact that the organ was already dead and stopped at the line "stomach pain". I had SIRS/sepsis right after that, it was fun.

sumeno 2y ago

What % of Americans have had a serious illness or injury and are they in the 70% or the 30%? How many Americans were unable to answer the survey at all because they died from a treatable condition that was denied by their insurance company?

mac-attack 2y ago
Literal survivorship bias. Woof

techfeathers 2y ago

Thirty percent is a big number when you’re thinking of consequences like bankruptcy and death.

paxys 2y ago

"70% of Americans are happy with their fire insurance. The ones whose homes burn down aren't, and are saying something about their claims being denied, but they are a minority."