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There's not much more a person can do for freedom than to cowardly run once people, who don't agree with you, get to open their mouth without being banned.

endemic 2y ago
I deleted my account because it wasn't fun anymore. It turned from sharing cool stuff and being able to connect with random famous people to politicized garbage. There's still cool stuff, but there's also plenty of cool stuff elsewhere (The Internet is a big place).
redder23 2y ago
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Spivak 2y ago
If I wanted replies to my posts to be the most offensive thing the person could think of just for the keks I would just go to 4chan where at least it's more creative. You can call it running away but it's not out of fear, it's because the quality of discussion dropped to nothing. It didn't used to be that bad when a post broke containment. I've had great discussions on HN with people who disagree with me on very fundamental issues on political topics and I would describe it as polite and informative.
- mrangle 2y ago
  Low quality responses aren't a part of a discussion: they're simply to be ignored. This is part and parcel for the internet, everywhere and for everyone. Unless one chooses not to ignore them, but that's their specific choice to participate. Where exactly is there "quality of discussion", if we include low quality responses in that rating, in any political space that isn't siloed? It doesn't exist today, and if the space is siloed then it also doesn't exist by definition. It's okay to want to go where people agree with you more, even if it's because others aren't allowed in. But call it what it is, and note what it isn't.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    > Low quality responses aren't a part of a discussion: they're simply to be ignored. This is part and parcel for the internet, everywhere and for everyone. Cool. Twitter has made this much more difficult, by (a) embracing a pay-for-attention model, where bluetick replies, which are rarely worth looking at, are artificially promoted and (b) by making mass-blocking far more difficult (through the death of the API). So, people are sensibly going to Bluesky, which provides a better product, with sensible, choosable reply prioritisation, and a first-party blocklist system. Like a big part of what's going on here is that Twitter is a way worse product than it used to be, while on the other hand better competing products exist in a way that they did not before. It's pretty natural under those circumstances that people go from the bad product to the good product. This is, broadly, how most dead social networks have died, both those which actively made themselves worse (livejournal, Digg, Tumblr), and those which were merely overtaken (Friendster, Myspace, Slashdot).
    - mrangle 2y ago
      It's not difficult to ignore people. There are still a lot of (bluecheck) Leftists on X, and people successfully practice ignoring their version of terrible posting just as much as can be done in the other direction. Looking forward to monitoring the "death of twitter" and the victory of bluesky.
      - yyuugg 2y ago
        I'd be shocked to see a leftist still on Twitter, tbh. I'm sure there are plenty of Liberals, but I doubt there are many Leftists.
        mrangle 2y ago
        There are masses of Leftists on X. Recently all seemingly intent on placing themselves on all manner of watchlist via psychotically celebrating and supporting the murder of a CEO, utilizing the logic of people with actual brain damage. I'm sure that Bluesky was having a normal one!
lm28469 2y ago
One has to be terminally online if they A care about twitter, B think it has anything to do with "freedom"
- mrangle 2y ago
  Why? There's no free speech environment if it lacks spaces that upset you for existing. X's existence in the name of "freedom", even if you disagree with the characterization, in turn protects your free speech. In fact, nothing else really does.
  - lm28469 2y ago
    People should touch some grass instead of debating if insulting groups of people online is what the founding fathers meant by freedom of speech, or if it actually brings anything of value to society. Twitter is still censoring a lot of shit, it just changed side and now that it's yours it's "freedom" btw freedom of speech doesn't exist anywhere to begin with. Even in the self proclaimed "land of the free" you can't swear on public tv lmao, libel, slander, obscenity, fraud, &c. are all illegal. Meanwhile nobody talks about freedom of press even though the US ranks closer to Hungary than western europe, so much for freedom of speech... Reminder that twitter is a bubble in the internet, which itself also is a bubble, and that real life exists out there.
    - mrangle 2y ago
      That makes no sense, in total.
      - yyuugg 2y ago
        Then it's a good opportunity for you to reflect on why it doesn't make sense, go and educate yourself a little. Congrats, you learned you need to learn a little today!
        mrangle 2y ago
bediger4000 2y ago
I deleted my account to avoid my valuable "intellectual property" residing in the hands of a single, apparently quite capricious, person.
- itbeho 2y ago
  I hate to break it to you, but your "intellectual property", in terms of social media has always been in the hands of capricious people.
hackable_sand 2y ago
It's not cowardly to leave your abusers. It is a very bold act. People decided they were tired of abusive Twitter users, and so they left.
rsynnott 2y ago
Eh? No-one is running. People are leaving a thing which has become shit. Like, if a local restaurant starts giving people food poisoning and people stop going there, you don't say people are running away from the restaurant, you say that they're no longer going there because it is bad. "You cowards! Come back! We've got multiple drug resistant e coli on special this week!"
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
becquerel 2y ago
I am not sharing a platform with people who want me dead.

endemic 2y ago

I deleted my account because it wasn't fun anymore. It turned from sharing cool stuff and being able to connect with random famous people to politicized garbage. There's still cool stuff, but there's also plenty of cool stuff elsewhere (The Internet is a big place).

redder23 2y ago

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Spivak 2y ago

If I wanted replies to my posts to be the most offensive thing the person could think of just for the keks I would just go to 4chan where at least it's more creative. You can call it running away but it's not out of fear, it's because the quality of discussion dropped to nothing. It didn't used to be that bad when a post broke containment. I've had great discussions on HN with people who disagree with me on very fundamental issues on political topics and I would describe it as polite and informative.

mrangle 2y ago
Low quality responses aren't a part of a discussion: they're simply to be ignored. This is part and parcel for the internet, everywhere and for everyone. Unless one chooses not to ignore them, but that's their specific choice to participate. Where exactly is there "quality of discussion", if we include low quality responses in that rating, in any political space that isn't siloed? It doesn't exist today, and if the space is siloed then it also doesn't exist by definition. It's okay to want to go where people agree with you more, even if it's because others aren't allowed in. But call it what it is, and note what it isn't.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > Low quality responses aren't a part of a discussion: they're simply to be ignored. This is part and parcel for the internet, everywhere and for everyone. Cool. Twitter has made this much more difficult, by (a) embracing a pay-for-attention model, where bluetick replies, which are rarely worth looking at, are artificially promoted and (b) by making mass-blocking far more difficult (through the death of the API). So, people are sensibly going to Bluesky, which provides a better product, with sensible, choosable reply prioritisation, and a first-party blocklist system. Like a big part of what's going on here is that Twitter is a way worse product than it used to be, while on the other hand better competing products exist in a way that they did not before. It's pretty natural under those circumstances that people go from the bad product to the good product. This is, broadly, how most dead social networks have died, both those which actively made themselves worse (livejournal, Digg, Tumblr), and those which were merely overtaken (Friendster, Myspace, Slashdot).
  - mrangle 2y ago
    It's not difficult to ignore people. There are still a lot of (bluecheck) Leftists on X, and people successfully practice ignoring their version of terrible posting just as much as can be done in the other direction. Looking forward to monitoring the "death of twitter" and the victory of bluesky.
    - yyuugg 2y ago
      I'd be shocked to see a leftist still on Twitter, tbh. I'm sure there are plenty of Liberals, but I doubt there are many Leftists.
      - mrangle 2y ago
        There are masses of Leftists on X. Recently all seemingly intent on placing themselves on all manner of watchlist via psychotically celebrating and supporting the murder of a CEO, utilizing the logic of people with actual brain damage. I'm sure that Bluesky was having a normal one!

lm28469 2y ago

One has to be terminally online if they A care about twitter, B think it has anything to do with "freedom"

mrangle 2y ago
Why? There's no free speech environment if it lacks spaces that upset you for existing. X's existence in the name of "freedom", even if you disagree with the characterization, in turn protects your free speech. In fact, nothing else really does.
- lm28469 2y ago
  People should touch some grass instead of debating if insulting groups of people online is what the founding fathers meant by freedom of speech, or if it actually brings anything of value to society. Twitter is still censoring a lot of shit, it just changed side and now that it's yours it's "freedom" btw freedom of speech doesn't exist anywhere to begin with. Even in the self proclaimed "land of the free" you can't swear on public tv lmao, libel, slander, obscenity, fraud, &c. are all illegal. Meanwhile nobody talks about freedom of press even though the US ranks closer to Hungary than western europe, so much for freedom of speech... Reminder that twitter is a bubble in the internet, which itself also is a bubble, and that real life exists out there.
  - mrangle 2y ago
    That makes no sense, in total.
    - yyuugg 2y ago
      Then it's a good opportunity for you to reflect on why it doesn't make sense, go and educate yourself a little. Congrats, you learned you need to learn a little today!
      - mrangle 2y ago

bediger4000 2y ago

I deleted my account to avoid my valuable "intellectual property" residing in the hands of a single, apparently quite capricious, person.

itbeho 2y ago
I hate to break it to you, but your "intellectual property", in terms of social media has always been in the hands of capricious people.

hackable_sand 2y ago

It's not cowardly to leave your abusers. It is a very bold act. People decided they were tired of abusive Twitter users, and so they left.

rsynnott 2y ago

Eh? No-one is running. People are leaving a thing which has become shit. Like, if a local restaurant starts giving people food poisoning and people stop going there, you don't say people are running away from the restaurant, you say that they're no longer going there because it is bad. "You cowards! Come back! We've got multiple drug resistant e coli on special this week!"

toomuchtodo 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

becquerel 2y ago

I am not sharing a platform with people who want me dead.