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> you can't just wreck people's lives for a living and expect no consequences The problematic aspect of this argument is that if expanded to the whole society,

by braza 2y ago

> you can't just wreck people's lives for a living and expect no consequences The problematic aspect of this argument is that if expanded to the whole society, it can lead to a very dark place. I come from a place that has 40K+ murders per year [1]. People literally dies all the time there, and as much everyone is so fed up with corruption and inequality, I strongly believe that institutions, law, and order are the best solution once I experimented it in another place. People all over the internet are using the narrative related to the insurance industry that let people die, and this CEO was the sacrificial lamb of this narrative. Its an easy thing to do since it's a direct cause and consequence thing. But expanding the same logic, should politicians have the same treatment since their decisions have way more consequences [2]? Of course not. As someone who saw civilization and savagery, I would choose the first in a heartbeat, and the main issue here is the incentive structure that rounds the health system in USA and why the political class does not take action to change it. [1] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/312455/number-homicides-brazil/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/312455/number-homicides-... [2] - https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/eleicoes-40-candidatos-morrem-antes-da-metade-da-campanha-veja-lista https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/eleicoes-40-candidatos-mor...

antifa 2y ago
> The problematic aspect of this argument is that if expanded to the whole society, it can lead to a very dark place. then don't be the CEO leading society to a dark place?
bathtub365 2y ago
Is anyone arguing that this form of justice should be expanded to all of society?
- wholinator2 2y ago
  While I'm not defending the CEO in any capacity, there are many places on the internet simply gleeful to watch this man die. These people feel that way because his company killed their loved ones and harmed them directly. I think a lot of the terror and push back were seeing in these comments and discussions is just how completely detached rich and privileged people are from the lived experience of the majority of the country, and a corresponding lack of empathy that comes with simply not being aware of the class war that's being fought. I think these privileges people did not understand how much of the populace actively despises them for being so privileged and umempathetic. Most people working at wendys or target simply can't understand how this ceo could've lived knowing he was destroying people's lives. And now rich tech workers are looking at their own track records, seeing a few unsavory things, and terrifying themselves over a slippery slope that makes them the victim, when the real ground truth of what's actually happening is that poor people are victims every single day, they're being walked on by huge corporations and abused to feed corporate compensation packages for executives that were fired for embezzlement. It's easy to try to make the story about ourselves and make up something that makes us feel scared and vulnerable, like we're next. But that's theoretical, and imaginary. There's real harm being done to thousands of people every day, done by massive corporations. If you're willing to attempt to turn the conversion to suit your imaginary persecution scenario, why aren't you willing to shift the conversation to the real death and depravity that real people face every day? If you're so scared, why haven't you done anything yet? Don't wanna be one of the targets? The fix your shit and start working to better the world instead of extracting from it. That's the power of this assassination. The legal system is only scary to the poors, Healthcare is only fucked for the poors, job security and stable income and housing and for prices are only fucked for the poors. Everyone is scared to die. Don't wanna be, better start giving the poors other ways to communicate, cause they're gonna get their message across one way or another.
  - sourcepluck 2y ago
    I'd change "thousands" to "millions" and keep all the rest. Very well said, thanks for taking the time to state it!
  - disqard 2y ago
    Thank you for articulating this.
- nh23423fefe 2y ago
  Why are you calling street crime a form of justice?
rsanek 2y ago
just to provide some context, the murder rates across Brazil vary widely by region. São Paulo's is pretty close to the global average.
itronitron 2y ago
maybe stop wrecking people's lives?
protocolture 2y ago
>But expanding the same logic, should politicians have the same treatment since their decisions have way more consequences [2]? Yes? Like not even a little bit? The liberal ideal of Democracy is as an alternative to violence. When Democracy fails, you are expected to correct it with violence. The system doesnt work without this failsafe. I really dont understand where this civility at all costs idea came from. Shit yankistan was literally founded on this ideal. They venerate people like John Brown who got to the wetwork of abolition years before there was a civil war.
- krapp 2y ago
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  - protocolture 2y ago
    So it seems.
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by braza 2y ago

antifa 2y ago

> The problematic aspect of this argument is that if expanded to the whole society, it can lead to a very dark place. then don't be the CEO leading society to a dark place?

bathtub365 2y ago

Is anyone arguing that this form of justice should be expanded to all of society?

wholinator2 2y ago
While I'm not defending the CEO in any capacity, there are many places on the internet simply gleeful to watch this man die. These people feel that way because his company killed their loved ones and harmed them directly. I think a lot of the terror and push back were seeing in these comments and discussions is just how completely detached rich and privileged people are from the lived experience of the majority of the country, and a corresponding lack of empathy that comes with simply not being aware of the class war that's being fought. I think these privileges people did not understand how much of the populace actively despises them for being so privileged and umempathetic. Most people working at wendys or target simply can't understand how this ceo could've lived knowing he was destroying people's lives. And now rich tech workers are looking at their own track records, seeing a few unsavory things, and terrifying themselves over a slippery slope that makes them the victim, when the real ground truth of what's actually happening is that poor people are victims every single day, they're being walked on by huge corporations and abused to feed corporate compensation packages for executives that were fired for embezzlement. It's easy to try to make the story about ourselves and make up something that makes us feel scared and vulnerable, like we're next. But that's theoretical, and imaginary. There's real harm being done to thousands of people every day, done by massive corporations. If you're willing to attempt to turn the conversion to suit your imaginary persecution scenario, why aren't you willing to shift the conversation to the real death and depravity that real people face every day? If you're so scared, why haven't you done anything yet? Don't wanna be one of the targets? The fix your shit and start working to better the world instead of extracting from it. That's the power of this assassination. The legal system is only scary to the poors, Healthcare is only fucked for the poors, job security and stable income and housing and for prices are only fucked for the poors. Everyone is scared to die. Don't wanna be, better start giving the poors other ways to communicate, cause they're gonna get their message across one way or another.
- sourcepluck 2y ago
  I'd change "thousands" to "millions" and keep all the rest. Very well said, thanks for taking the time to state it!
- disqard 2y ago
  Thank you for articulating this.
nh23423fefe 2y ago
Why are you calling street crime a form of justice?

rsanek 2y ago

just to provide some context, the murder rates across Brazil vary widely by region. São Paulo's is pretty close to the global average.

itronitron 2y ago

maybe stop wrecking people's lives?

protocolture 2y ago

>But expanding the same logic, should politicians have the same treatment since their decisions have way more consequences [2]? Yes? Like not even a little bit? The liberal ideal of Democracy is as an alternative to violence. When Democracy fails, you are expected to correct it with violence. The system doesnt work without this failsafe. I really dont understand where this civility at all costs idea came from. Shit yankistan was literally founded on this ideal. They venerate people like John Brown who got to the wetwork of abolition years before there was a civil war.

krapp 2y ago
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- protocolture 2y ago
  So it seems.

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