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> This seems just as much of a failure of society in dealing with these kind of nihilistic parasites sucking our society dry as anything else. While nobody's s

> This seems just as much of a failure of society in dealing with these kind of nihilistic parasites sucking our society dry as anything else. While nobody's shedding a tear here, we should be cautious about even softly embracing or downplaying vigilantism. Worth remembering, and we've already seen it happen frequently: Vigilante justice can be wielded against controversial personas you support, and there will be just as much applause from the sidelines (from the other side). That feeling can even extend to people you might consider innocent: See one of the other comments where someone is noting they wouldn't shed a tear over a particular company's *employees* being murdered.

soco 2y ago
Fully agree with you, vigilante justice should not happen because we have a system protecting the citizens and doing them justice. Wait, do we actually have such a workable system? Because if not, vigilante justice is just around the corner.
- heaterwedge 2y ago
  Just be careful what you wish for :). Vigilante justice doesn't have a great history of being actual justice.
  - lazystar 2y ago
    How's France looking these days? still under bourbon rule?
  - soco 2y ago
    I wish those working laws and law system, can I get them pretty please? No? Which party in power does something for it? Instead of trying to scare people with the threat of vigilante, I'd rather appease them with the lure of a healthy system.
    - heaterwedge 2y ago
      The answer to "X doesn't work" usually isn't "let's do the exact opposite of X because X isn't working". There's just scads of historical evidence to support what a bad idea that usually is.
      - harimau777 2y ago
        What is the answer?
  - cpill 2y ago
    Tell that to Dare Devil, or Spider-Man, or the Punisher. Seems America kinda idolizes vigilantes
  - Fricken 2y ago
    The justice system doesn't have a great track record of being actual justice either.
- fazeirony 2y ago
  its the usual 'problem' in this country - all of these reprehensible actions by these corporations are, by and large, legal. being legal doesn't make it right or ethical though. the legislators clearly think the system is fine and workable as evidenced by the legislature passed to allow profits over, quite literally, anything else in this country. whilst i don't condone murder or vigilantism, i fully expect more of this because this is exactly what the 'system' has wrought. when you have nothing to lose, all options are on the table.
  - braza 2y ago
    > the legislators clearly think the system is fine and workable as evidenced by the legislature passed to allow profits over, quite literally, anything else in this country. But don't you think that a more civilized way to solve it is by voting and changing the legislators who think this is right? I mean, the issue is when it goes from a sacrificed lamb CEO from a very disgraceful industry and replicates to the rest of society.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      I've voted every single year of my adult life. It doesn't seem to be working.
    - JohnBooty 2y ago
      But don't you think that a more civilized way to solve it is by voting and changing the legislators who think this is right? Absolutely, but corporations effectively control the government and who gets campaign funding.
      - w4 2y ago
        The 2024 presidential election was won by the candidate who spent about 1/3rd less than their opponent, and we’ve seen many successful campaigns in the past decade funded by small donations beat corporate backed candidates. Funding isn’t everything, and it’s a cop out to co-sign vigilantism on such a glib basis: https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race Rule of law is a precious thing, even if it’s imperfect, as all human systems will inevitably be. We shouldn’t be cavalier about discarding it. The alternatives are much worse.
linsomniac 2y ago
>we should be cautious about even softly embracing or downplaying vigilantism. Agreed. However, there's been kind of a lot of noise being made the last year or two about "it's time to sharpen the guillotines" WRT the concentration of wealth, and as a society in the US our collective reaction seems to be "let them eat cake".
- heaterwedge 2y ago
  Yes, it's unfortunate and we very well might be headed towards a French Revolution era. I hope people on both sides of those phrases remember how many benign people were killed during the French Revolution, to say nothing of how many "true believers" were as well (Robespierre was also executed by guillotine).
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    Revolutions are fascinating. The Reign of Terror served as a warning to plenty of non-peasants. But, to get there, the army of the monarchy had to kill thousands of peasants without any warning or recognition of their humanity. So I think people who know the Revolution wonder whether people are reacting like we’re at the beginning, or the middle.
    - BoxFour 2y ago
      The French Revolution is generally agreed to have started with the third estate forming their own assembly and storming the Bastille a month later to depose the king. Whatever you think of Jan 6, we clearly haven't deposed the President nor has any vocal section of Congress formed their own legislature so any argument that the revolution has actually begun seems specious or is stretching the definition of the word "revolution" so much as to be meaningless. Revolutions usually involve going through a door of no-return, and there's little evidence to suggest we've hit that point. Congress could, tomorrow, announce a wealth tax and sweeping reforms and etc and most aggrievances would be resolved. We don't say a ball is on the ground just because it's in freefall and likely to be on the ground shortly barring any last-second intervention.
JohnFen 2y ago
"Vigiliante justice" is an oxymoron.
- betaby 2y ago
  `Insurance premium` is an oxymoron even more so for non-native English speakers.
trappist 2y ago
The only problem I can actually name with vigilante justice is that it can be error-prone. Otherwise it's only an encroachment upon the state's monopoly on the dispensation of justice, and I'm not seeing a moral objection to that. And the state's approach to justice is also quite error-prone.
- stvltvs 2y ago
  It's a narrow view of justice that equates it to well aimed violence.

soco 2y ago

Fully agree with you, vigilante justice should not happen because we have a system protecting the citizens and doing them justice. Wait, do we actually have such a workable system? Because if not, vigilante justice is just around the corner.

heaterwedge 2y ago
Just be careful what you wish for :). Vigilante justice doesn't have a great history of being actual justice.
- lazystar 2y ago
  How's France looking these days? still under bourbon rule?
- soco 2y ago
  I wish those working laws and law system, can I get them pretty please? No? Which party in power does something for it? Instead of trying to scare people with the threat of vigilante, I'd rather appease them with the lure of a healthy system.
  - heaterwedge 2y ago
    The answer to "X doesn't work" usually isn't "let's do the exact opposite of X because X isn't working". There's just scads of historical evidence to support what a bad idea that usually is.
    - harimau777 2y ago
      What is the answer?
- cpill 2y ago
  Tell that to Dare Devil, or Spider-Man, or the Punisher. Seems America kinda idolizes vigilantes
- Fricken 2y ago
  The justice system doesn't have a great track record of being actual justice either.
fazeirony 2y ago
its the usual 'problem' in this country - all of these reprehensible actions by these corporations are, by and large, legal. being legal doesn't make it right or ethical though. the legislators clearly think the system is fine and workable as evidenced by the legislature passed to allow profits over, quite literally, anything else in this country. whilst i don't condone murder or vigilantism, i fully expect more of this because this is exactly what the 'system' has wrought. when you have nothing to lose, all options are on the table.
- braza 2y ago
  > the legislators clearly think the system is fine and workable as evidenced by the legislature passed to allow profits over, quite literally, anything else in this country. But don't you think that a more civilized way to solve it is by voting and changing the legislators who think this is right? I mean, the issue is when it goes from a sacrificed lamb CEO from a very disgraceful industry and replicates to the rest of society.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    I've voted every single year of my adult life. It doesn't seem to be working.
  - JohnBooty 2y ago
    But don't you think that a more civilized way to solve it is by voting and changing the legislators who think this is right? Absolutely, but corporations effectively control the government and who gets campaign funding.
    - w4 2y ago
      The 2024 presidential election was won by the candidate who spent about 1/3rd less than their opponent, and we’ve seen many successful campaigns in the past decade funded by small donations beat corporate backed candidates. Funding isn’t everything, and it’s a cop out to co-sign vigilantism on such a glib basis: https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race Rule of law is a precious thing, even if it’s imperfect, as all human systems will inevitably be. We shouldn’t be cavalier about discarding it. The alternatives are much worse.

linsomniac 2y ago

>we should be cautious about even softly embracing or downplaying vigilantism. Agreed. However, there's been kind of a lot of noise being made the last year or two about "it's time to sharpen the guillotines" WRT the concentration of wealth, and as a society in the US our collective reaction seems to be "let them eat cake".

heaterwedge 2y ago
Yes, it's unfortunate and we very well might be headed towards a French Revolution era. I hope people on both sides of those phrases remember how many benign people were killed during the French Revolution, to say nothing of how many "true believers" were as well (Robespierre was also executed by guillotine).
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  Revolutions are fascinating. The Reign of Terror served as a warning to plenty of non-peasants. But, to get there, the army of the monarchy had to kill thousands of peasants without any warning or recognition of their humanity. So I think people who know the Revolution wonder whether people are reacting like we’re at the beginning, or the middle.
  - BoxFour 2y ago
    The French Revolution is generally agreed to have started with the third estate forming their own assembly and storming the Bastille a month later to depose the king. Whatever you think of Jan 6, we clearly haven't deposed the President nor has any vocal section of Congress formed their own legislature so any argument that the revolution has actually begun seems specious or is stretching the definition of the word "revolution" so much as to be meaningless. Revolutions usually involve going through a door of no-return, and there's little evidence to suggest we've hit that point. Congress could, tomorrow, announce a wealth tax and sweeping reforms and etc and most aggrievances would be resolved. We don't say a ball is on the ground just because it's in freefall and likely to be on the ground shortly barring any last-second intervention.

JohnFen 2y ago

"Vigiliante justice" is an oxymoron.

betaby 2y ago
`Insurance premium` is an oxymoron even more so for non-native English speakers.

trappist 2y ago

The only problem I can actually name with vigilante justice is that it can be error-prone. Otherwise it's only an encroachment upon the state's monopoly on the dispensation of justice, and I'm not seeing a moral objection to that. And the state's approach to justice is also quite error-prone.

stvltvs 2y ago
It's a narrow view of justice that equates it to well aimed violence.