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> Python was the slowest language in the benchmark, and yet at the same time it’s the most used language on Github as of October 2024. Interesting that there s

> Python was the slowest language in the benchmark, and yet at the same time it’s the most used language on Github as of October 2024. Interesting that there seems to be a correlation between a language being slow and it being popular.

remedan 2y ago
Does that correlation hold if you look at let's say the top 20 popular languages?
- sigzero 2y ago
  No, because Java is #2, C++ is #4, C# is #7. People just really like Python for what it brings to the table.
jb1991 2y ago
Slower languages are higher level thus easier to use.
- igouy 2y ago
  https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/java-javaxint.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... Program performance is associated with the specific programming language implementation and the specific program implementation.
  - jb1991 2y ago
    No one takes that site too seriously when judging real world programming, for a variety of reasons.
    - igouy 2y ago
      Do you really not understand that the exact same Java programs are likely to be 10x slower without JIT? Different language implementation, so different performance. > too seriously Take those measurements just seriously enough.
_kb 2y ago
Now do it again, but include compile time and amortise across the number of executions expected for that specific build. I say this as a pretty deep rust fanatic. All languages (and runtimes, interpreters, and compilers) are tools. Different problems and approaches to solving them benefit from having a good set at your disposal. If you're building something that may only run a handful of times (which a lot of python, R, et al programs include) slow execution doesn't matter.
VeejayRampay 2y ago
it's like food, people like it way more when you put sugar on top by and large, Ruby is slow, but damn is it nice to code with, which is more appealing for newcomers
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  I think, for being a interpreted language, Ruby is quite fast now.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Because now a JIT is part of the picture, as it should be in any dynamic language that isn't only meant for basic scripting tasks.
  - KerrAvon 2y ago
    Ruby was always faster than people gave it credit for.
    - igouy 2y ago
      Not really. Work has been done to make faster Ruby language implementations. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/ruby-mri.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
  - VeejayRampay 2y ago
    of course sorry, you're right, what I meant is that it's rather slow _in the grand scheme of things_

remedan 2y ago

Does that correlation hold if you look at let's say the top 20 popular languages?

sigzero 2y ago
No, because Java is #2, C++ is #4, C# is #7. People just really like Python for what it brings to the table.

jb1991 2y ago

Slower languages are higher level thus easier to use.

igouy 2y ago
https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/java-javaxint.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... Program performance is associated with the specific programming language implementation and the specific program implementation.
- jb1991 2y ago
  No one takes that site too seriously when judging real world programming, for a variety of reasons.
  - igouy 2y ago
    Do you really not understand that the exact same Java programs are likely to be 10x slower without JIT? Different language implementation, so different performance. > too seriously Take those measurements just seriously enough.

_kb 2y ago

Now do it again, but include compile time and amortise across the number of executions expected for that specific build. I say this as a pretty deep rust fanatic. All languages (and runtimes, interpreters, and compilers) are tools. Different problems and approaches to solving them benefit from having a good set at your disposal. If you're building something that may only run a handful of times (which a lot of python, R, et al programs include) slow execution doesn't matter.

VeejayRampay 2y ago

it's like food, people like it way more when you put sugar on top by and large, Ruby is slow, but damn is it nice to code with, which is more appealing for newcomers

Alifatisk 2y ago
I think, for being a interpreted language, Ruby is quite fast now.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Because now a JIT is part of the picture, as it should be in any dynamic language that isn't only meant for basic scripting tasks.
- KerrAvon 2y ago
  Ruby was always faster than people gave it credit for.
  - igouy 2y ago
    Not really. Work has been done to make faster Ruby language implementations. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/ruby-mri.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
- VeejayRampay 2y ago
  of course sorry, you're right, what I meant is that it's rather slow _in the grand scheme of things_