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Cool visualization, but it is ultimately 20 slides that are saying the exact same thing (white collar workers are more privileged than blue collar workers). And

by paxys 2y ago

Cool visualization, but it is ultimately 20 slides that are saying the exact same thing (white collar workers are more privileged than blue collar workers). And not adding anything new to something everyone already knows.

Noumenon72 2y ago
I spent ten years in a plastics factory before switching to programming. I used to grab a roll of paper to sit on even though it made me look lazy compared to everyone else there, because standing is hard. So I feel that finding any new way to remind people every few years that we are sitting because others are standing is virtuous. We also spend too much time on sympathy for people at the very bottom of the income tables, often there out of laziness or crime, compared to people who have twice the stress by being both low income and working hard for a living. They deserve more visibility.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  Correct. The left tries to reach out to the proletariat but often only actually seems to speak to the lumpenproletariet. Marx thought the absolute bottom of society was scum, naturally fascist, and might as well not exist. Having been around your average bum on the west coast, it’s hard not to agree.
xerox13ster 2y ago
I have known since before the election that Trump is planning to deport all of the immigrants. I’ve been angry about it. I’ve talked to the people about it. I have argued with people about it, but I haven’t truly cognitively processed it. When I got to the slide about immigrant workers, I broke down, crying, sobbing tears—no no no no that can’t happen here tears. I already knew. It was something I already knew. The reality of such a thing is so horrible to contemplate that even if you can attach the faces of people you know to the coming horror, you’re more likely to think of it in abstract terms. 20 million people is a number we can’t fathom. But data allows us to process it in an abstract way, and can connect the abstract to something cognitively meaningful. When I saw the data arranged that way I was forced to confront the abstract representation of this category of people that drove home cognitively what could be coming.
- tristor 2y ago
  > I have known since before the election that Trump is planning to deport all of the immigrants. Agree or disagree with the policy proposal, that is not what Trump has been saying at all. I don't know if this is an unforced error with some people in the discussion of American politics or a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters. There is a legal process for immigrating to the United States, it is a significantly easier process than that which exists in the majority of Western countries. Those who follow the legal process are not being targeted by any policy proposal that's been espoused by any mainstream political candidate from any party in the United States, the issue has been and continues to be discussed only in the terms of people who immigrated to the United States illegally either via violating the terms of their visa, fraudulently receiving a visa, or crossing the border without a visa. Please tone down your hyperbole.
  - tetnis 2y ago
    people really believe this hyperbole. i hear it almost everyday working in tech. many blue drones can't recognize their droneness, but will happily make fun of red drones.

by paxys 2y ago

Noumenon72 2y ago

I spent ten years in a plastics factory before switching to programming. I used to grab a roll of paper to sit on even though it made me look lazy compared to everyone else there, because standing is hard. So I feel that finding any new way to remind people every few years that we are sitting because others are standing is virtuous. We also spend too much time on sympathy for people at the very bottom of the income tables, often there out of laziness or crime, compared to people who have twice the stress by being both low income and working hard for a living. They deserve more visibility.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
Correct. The left tries to reach out to the proletariat but often only actually seems to speak to the lumpenproletariet. Marx thought the absolute bottom of society was scum, naturally fascist, and might as well not exist. Having been around your average bum on the west coast, it’s hard not to agree.

xerox13ster 2y ago

I have known since before the election that Trump is planning to deport all of the immigrants. I’ve been angry about it. I’ve talked to the people about it. I have argued with people about it, but I haven’t truly cognitively processed it. When I got to the slide about immigrant workers, I broke down, crying, sobbing tears—no no no no that can’t happen here tears. I already knew. It was something I already knew. The reality of such a thing is so horrible to contemplate that even if you can attach the faces of people you know to the coming horror, you’re more likely to think of it in abstract terms. 20 million people is a number we can’t fathom. But data allows us to process it in an abstract way, and can connect the abstract to something cognitively meaningful. When I saw the data arranged that way I was forced to confront the abstract representation of this category of people that drove home cognitively what could be coming.

tristor 2y ago
> I have known since before the election that Trump is planning to deport all of the immigrants. Agree or disagree with the policy proposal, that is not what Trump has been saying at all. I don't know if this is an unforced error with some people in the discussion of American politics or a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters. There is a legal process for immigrating to the United States, it is a significantly easier process than that which exists in the majority of Western countries. Those who follow the legal process are not being targeted by any policy proposal that's been espoused by any mainstream political candidate from any party in the United States, the issue has been and continues to be discussed only in the terms of people who immigrated to the United States illegally either via violating the terms of their visa, fraudulently receiving a visa, or crossing the border without a visa. Please tone down your hyperbole.
- tetnis 2y ago
  people really believe this hyperbole. i hear it almost everyday working in tech. many blue drones can't recognize their droneness, but will happily make fun of red drones.