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> the declining share is nuclear OMG, is it a joke? Consumption is stable, OK? Nuclear produced less, OK? Therefore renewables compensated for nuclear declin

> the declining share is nuclear OMG, is it a joke? Consumption is stable, OK? Nuclear produced less, OK? Therefore renewables compensated for nuclear declining production, OK? Therefore burning more fossil fuels was not necessary, OK? Therefore renewables replaced them, OK? > the bottleneck is money My point is solid even given this perspective: the way public money is used is of paramount importance: government recently ordered new nuclear reactors, and also subsidizes renewables in order to compensate past huge subsides to nuclear. More money here, less money there. > We don't live in a command economy where material resources and workers are assigned by the state on a given project. Read above. > you don't even acknowledge raw data Raw data, as explained, shows that renewables enabled France to avoid burning more fossil fuel. This is a fact, like it or not.

pyrale 2y ago
Nuclear is not down for intrinsic reasons, it is down because it comes after renewables in merit order, and therefore when renewables are available, it is scaled down. In low renewables availability episodes, there isn’t more fossil production, we simply ramp nuclear up.
- natmaka 2y ago
  > it is down because it comes after renewables in merit order Nope. This is provably false, and even the pertinent official authority (RTE) says so: https://x.com/factsory/status/1712155368304898137 https://x.com/factsory/status/1712155368304898137 Details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=561s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=561s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=2273s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=2273s
  - pyrale 2y ago
    None of the sources you quote is RTE. And both videos you quote state clearly that the production program is built using merit order, in which renewables always come first.
    - natmaka 2y ago
      > None of the sources you quote is RTE. You didn't watch or understand them. The first thread referenced, on x.com, offers a link towards https://www.youtube.com/live/xP4jL4b_Nnk?si=P4X_qMV9vtkpVD7z&t=5077 https://www.youtube.com/live/xP4jL4b_Nnk?si=P4X_qMV9vtkpVD7z... This guy is RTE's official representative. Please listen to what he says, and let me know whether you persist to deny or reckon. > merit order A technical merit order, established to optimize and therefore to prefer the most adequate (overall) source. It is enforced for ages and for all sources, it isn't some arbitrarily established rule aiming at hurting poor nuclear lil'baby. If nuclear cannot compete it will disappear. The processus already started.
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pyrale 2y ago

Nuclear is not down for intrinsic reasons, it is down because it comes after renewables in merit order, and therefore when renewables are available, it is scaled down. In low renewables availability episodes, there isn’t more fossil production, we simply ramp nuclear up.

natmaka 2y ago
> it is down because it comes after renewables in merit order Nope. This is provably false, and even the pertinent official authority (RTE) says so: https://x.com/factsory/status/1712155368304898137 https://x.com/factsory/status/1712155368304898137 Details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=561s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=561s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=2273s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZCKv0C6Dqs&t=2273s
- pyrale 2y ago
  None of the sources you quote is RTE. And both videos you quote state clearly that the production program is built using merit order, in which renewables always come first.
  - natmaka 2y ago
    > None of the sources you quote is RTE. You didn't watch or understand them. The first thread referenced, on x.com, offers a link towards https://www.youtube.com/live/xP4jL4b_Nnk?si=P4X_qMV9vtkpVD7z&t=5077 https://www.youtube.com/live/xP4jL4b_Nnk?si=P4X_qMV9vtkpVD7z... This guy is RTE's official representative. Please listen to what he says, and let me know whether you persist to deny or reckon. > merit order A technical merit order, established to optimize and therefore to prefer the most adequate (overall) source. It is enforced for ages and for all sources, it isn't some arbitrarily established rule aiming at hurting poor nuclear lil'baby. If nuclear cannot compete it will disappear. The processus already started.
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