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I'm really curious about Oracle's motivation for fighting this. What value do they see in continuing to hold a trademark they aren't really using, and no one as

by thayne 2y ago

I'm really curious about Oracle's motivation for fighting this. What value do they see in continuing to hold a trademark they aren't really using, and no one associates with them anyway?

genter 2y ago
Do you ask a lawnmower why it chewed your hand off after sticking it in there?
- Cpoll 2y ago
  For those who don't know: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2315 https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2315
- deleted 2y ago
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toyg 2y ago
You're looking at it wrong: why ever renounce anything that is already yours? Oracle should be assumed to always take the greediest and most antisocial position in any legal or economic matter.
swyx 2y ago
oracle is a law firm that happens to sell a database
ralph84 2y ago
It’s their asset. It came with their $7.4 billion acquisition of Sun. I know it’s popular to hate on Oracle, and it’s deserved in many cases, but any company in this situation would defend their IP. Obviously it has value or somebody wouldn’t be trying to cancel it.
- tomxor 2y ago
  > It’s their asset To be clear, the trademark is their asset. Sun trademarked the name JavaScript in 1997, for reasons assumed to be related to Java, probably in anticipation of a use case that never arrived. This had nothing to do with the existing language JavaScript which was created in 1993, and had no relationship with Sun. > Obviously it has value or somebody wouldn’t be trying to cancel it. "Somebody" is trying to cancel it because Oracle have been blindly defending it, not because it has any business value to Oracle. The JavaScript language has precedence, and today it's sheer popularity and major role in open web standard means Oracle could not possibly benefit from using it for any business purpose due to the strong existing association. It's only practical purpose is to torment the JavaScript community and further cement Oracle's reputation as a litigious cancer of the technology world. They blindly defend it because they are a mindless lawnmower that consumed it, not because they are the wiser and know it has value.
jasonjayr 2y ago
> Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle. — Brian Cantrill
wombatpm 2y ago
One Rich Ass Called Larry Ellison
bni 2y ago
First rule of business: Don't give away anything for free

by thayne 2y ago

I'm really curious about Oracle's motivation for fighting this. What value do they see in continuing to hold a trademark they aren't really using, and no one associates with them anyway?

genter 2y ago

Do you ask a lawnmower why it chewed your hand off after sticking it in there?

Cpoll 2y ago
For those who don't know: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2315 https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2315
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toyg 2y ago

You're looking at it wrong: why ever renounce anything that is already yours? Oracle should be assumed to always take the greediest and most antisocial position in any legal or economic matter.

swyx 2y ago

oracle is a law firm that happens to sell a database

ralph84 2y ago

It’s their asset. It came with their $7.4 billion acquisition of Sun. I know it’s popular to hate on Oracle, and it’s deserved in many cases, but any company in this situation would defend their IP. Obviously it has value or somebody wouldn’t be trying to cancel it.

tomxor 2y ago
> It’s their asset To be clear, the trademark is their asset. Sun trademarked the name JavaScript in 1997, for reasons assumed to be related to Java, probably in anticipation of a use case that never arrived. This had nothing to do with the existing language JavaScript which was created in 1993, and had no relationship with Sun. > Obviously it has value or somebody wouldn’t be trying to cancel it. "Somebody" is trying to cancel it because Oracle have been blindly defending it, not because it has any business value to Oracle. The JavaScript language has precedence, and today it's sheer popularity and major role in open web standard means Oracle could not possibly benefit from using it for any business purpose due to the strong existing association. It's only practical purpose is to torment the JavaScript community and further cement Oracle's reputation as a litigious cancer of the technology world. They blindly defend it because they are a mindless lawnmower that consumed it, not because they are the wiser and know it has value.

jasonjayr 2y ago

> Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle. — Brian Cantrill

wombatpm 2y ago

One Rich Ass Called Larry Ellison

bni 2y ago

First rule of business: Don't give away anything for free