I mean, Shiren is a roguelike designed from the ground up for console. I went back and tried the original Shiren (Mystery Dungeon 2) on the Super Famicom via an

I mean, Shiren is a roguelike designed from the ground up for console. I went back and tried the original Shiren (Mystery Dungeon 2) on the Super Famicom via an emulator, and it's amazing how much they just nailed the balance. In some ways it's simpler than Rogue, but in other way it's deeper. The folks at Chunsoft made some impressive games, and they single handedly kept the flame of the commercial Roguelike alive for decades (at least in Japan).