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When younger, i often thought about moving to the US because it offered so many amazing and creative places to work. Most of these places seem to have gone comp

When younger, i often thought about moving to the US because it offered so many amazing and creative places to work. Most of these places seem to have gone completely or are in a somewhat unhealthy state (hollywood, video games). Boring tech companies took over and often times they stared with just a website - for gods sake- this is so lame! I‘m so happy i didnt go back then- I think it would have depressed me to experience this first hand but who knows.

deaddodo 2y ago
What do you mean by "unhealthy state"? Hollywood (the location) has always been skeazy/decrepit location (at least, after the 60s). Hollywood (the idea) is still going fine...other places have just developed their own media output too. One thing getting stronger doesn't mean the other is now sick, unless your only mental model is "defeatism". If anything, the US not being the only media producer in the world has made it easier for smaller/more indie/more culturally significant media to thrive in the US again. As to Video Games, I don't even know how to tackle that. The US and Japan still dominate the video game market and have since the 80s (with the US solely dominating it before). And the American-led Independent/art games scene has been in it's golden age for about a decade now. It's impossible to defend/explain something without a comparison point; but just your vague abstract comments are falsifiable on their face.
- pests 2y ago
  I think you are debating whereas OP was just sharing a memory.
  - deaddodo 2y ago
    I'm not debating, I'm explaining the inaccuracies of their perspective.
    - pests 2y ago
      OP was just giving their opinions and telling their memories ("when i was younger") People can remember incorrectly or wrongly, and things can change. You don't have to explain the inaccuracies all the time. Sometimes its okay to tell a story or a moment from memory and be wrong or incorrect. It would be like correcting your grandfather who told stories of walking up hill both ways in 4ft of snow. "But grampa, this area has _never_ received 4ft of snow." That's not the point, per se. Or at least my $0.02.
      - deaddodo 2y ago
        They were telling the story in a retrospective manner as a reflection of today's issues. They said the video games and movie industries were "sickly" today. I addressed how that is wrong; not their memories. You're either creating some non-existent argument out of bad faith, or have no idea what you're saying.
        HellDunkel 2y ago
        I said „unhealthy“- not sickly. You can be 100% fit and have an unhealthy lifestyle at the same time. The constant race to market dominance can easily divert you from producing creativ output but as a creative you always have to strike a balance. Working as an engineer at google or facebook, paypal, airbnb just seems incredibly boring to me. This is probably my core point.
        deaddodo 2y ago
        > I said „unhealthy“- not sickly. Sickly (being in ill-health) and unhealthy are essentially synonymous in this case. But sure, replace one for the other in your head, if you prefer. There's no point being pedantic about it. > You can be 100% fit and have an unhealthy lifestyle at the same time. Then it's not an unhealthy lifestyle, it's just one you find unappealing. > The constant race to market dominance can easily divert you from producing creativ output but as a creative you always have to strike a balance. And yet, I gave you two very obvious counter-examples of how the exact opposite is happening, specifically for American culture/life. > Working as an engineer at google or facebook, paypal, airbnb just seems incredibly boring to me. This is probably my core point. Cool, no one is asking or begging of you to move to the US. I don't live there nor care. However, the claims you made around that are still fundamentally inaccurate/warped. To simplify the flaw in your logic, it is like if I said "I don't want to live in Germany because it has a larger percentage of Nazis than ever in history" and you responded "well no, that's obviously not true" and my response was then "Nazis are boring, that's my core point".
- francisofascii 2y ago
  I took "unhealthy state" to mean a toxic work culture, with long hours and low pay. If you work as a low level actor/writer, you have to audition all the time and are about to get replaced by AI.
  - Legend2440 2y ago
    That’s because there are many many more people who want to be actors/writers than there is demand for those jobs. This is the market telling you to pick a different career.
_yb2s 2y ago
The US still is absolutely an amazing place to do creative work. Most of the fun innovative stuff is done in small companies, startups, and academia. Big organizations find it hard to not stifle creativity with bureaucracy- so they’ve taken to just buying the creative work once it’s out there.
zeroc8 2y ago
Same here, I've even lived in the States for a while. For me, Europe is the place to be. While we might not have as many opportunities as our counterparts in the States, life is generally pretty great over here for the average Joe. They have more money, but we have more free time for ourselves. Since life is short, time is more valuable. At least for me.
dyauspitr 2y ago
The US is still definitely one of the top places for creative work. China might be coming up fast on that due to the sheer vertical manufacturing capability they possess.

deaddodo 2y ago

What do you mean by "unhealthy state"? Hollywood (the location) has always been skeazy/decrepit location (at least, after the 60s). Hollywood (the idea) is still going fine...other places have just developed their own media output too. One thing getting stronger doesn't mean the other is now sick, unless your only mental model is "defeatism". If anything, the US not being the only media producer in the world has made it easier for smaller/more indie/more culturally significant media to thrive in the US again. As to Video Games, I don't even know how to tackle that. The US and Japan still dominate the video game market and have since the 80s (with the US solely dominating it before). And the American-led Independent/art games scene has been in it's golden age for about a decade now. It's impossible to defend/explain something without a comparison point; but just your vague abstract comments are falsifiable on their face.

pests 2y ago
I think you are debating whereas OP was just sharing a memory.
- deaddodo 2y ago
  I'm not debating, I'm explaining the inaccuracies of their perspective.
  - pests 2y ago
    OP was just giving their opinions and telling their memories ("when i was younger") People can remember incorrectly or wrongly, and things can change. You don't have to explain the inaccuracies all the time. Sometimes its okay to tell a story or a moment from memory and be wrong or incorrect. It would be like correcting your grandfather who told stories of walking up hill both ways in 4ft of snow. "But grampa, this area has _never_ received 4ft of snow." That's not the point, per se. Or at least my $0.02.
    - deaddodo 2y ago
      They were telling the story in a retrospective manner as a reflection of today's issues. They said the video games and movie industries were "sickly" today. I addressed how that is wrong; not their memories. You're either creating some non-existent argument out of bad faith, or have no idea what you're saying.
      - HellDunkel 2y ago
        I said „unhealthy“- not sickly. You can be 100% fit and have an unhealthy lifestyle at the same time. The constant race to market dominance can easily divert you from producing creativ output but as a creative you always have to strike a balance. Working as an engineer at google or facebook, paypal, airbnb just seems incredibly boring to me. This is probably my core point.
        deaddodo 2y ago
        > I said „unhealthy“- not sickly. Sickly (being in ill-health) and unhealthy are essentially synonymous in this case. But sure, replace one for the other in your head, if you prefer. There's no point being pedantic about it. > You can be 100% fit and have an unhealthy lifestyle at the same time. Then it's not an unhealthy lifestyle, it's just one you find unappealing. > The constant race to market dominance can easily divert you from producing creativ output but as a creative you always have to strike a balance. And yet, I gave you two very obvious counter-examples of how the exact opposite is happening, specifically for American culture/life. > Working as an engineer at google or facebook, paypal, airbnb just seems incredibly boring to me. This is probably my core point. Cool, no one is asking or begging of you to move to the US. I don't live there nor care. However, the claims you made around that are still fundamentally inaccurate/warped. To simplify the flaw in your logic, it is like if I said "I don't want to live in Germany because it has a larger percentage of Nazis than ever in history" and you responded "well no, that's obviously not true" and my response was then "Nazis are boring, that's my core point".
francisofascii 2y ago
I took "unhealthy state" to mean a toxic work culture, with long hours and low pay. If you work as a low level actor/writer, you have to audition all the time and are about to get replaced by AI.
- Legend2440 2y ago
  That’s because there are many many more people who want to be actors/writers than there is demand for those jobs. This is the market telling you to pick a different career.

_yb2s 2y ago

The US still is absolutely an amazing place to do creative work. Most of the fun innovative stuff is done in small companies, startups, and academia. Big organizations find it hard to not stifle creativity with bureaucracy- so they’ve taken to just buying the creative work once it’s out there.

zeroc8 2y ago

Same here, I've even lived in the States for a while. For me, Europe is the place to be. While we might not have as many opportunities as our counterparts in the States, life is generally pretty great over here for the average Joe. They have more money, but we have more free time for ourselves. Since life is short, time is more valuable. At least for me.

dyauspitr 2y ago

The US is still definitely one of the top places for creative work. China might be coming up fast on that due to the sheer vertical manufacturing capability they possess.