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"Україна понад усе" ("Ukraine above all" in English or "Ukraine über alles" in German) Except it doesn't have the connotation of the latter among Ukrainians at

"Україна понад усе" ("Ukraine above all" in English or "Ukraine über alles" in German) Except it doesn't have the connotation of the latter among Ukrainians at all. It's more like their version of Vive la France. It has its own history, and the similarity in phrasing is entirely coincidental. Another day, another drop of disinformation.

protomolecule 2y ago
Except the corresponding article[0] in Ukrainian Wikipedia as the proof that it is a "Ukrainian patriotic slogan" gives the link to the news page that shows a photo of a mob with torches and lists slogans like "Ukraine above all", "Glory to nation, death to enemies", "Bandera, Shukhevich -- heroes of Ukraine"[1]. [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Україна_понад_усе https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Україна_понад_усе [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20170206104859/http://24tv.ua/slava_natsiyi_smert_vorogam__na_donbasi_vlashtuvali_smoloskipnu_hodu_n773756 https://web.archive.org/web/20170206104859/http://24tv.ua/sl...
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Under the heading "In art". Corresponding to that community's decidedly marginal status in Ukrainian society.
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  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >Under the heading "In art". That's just dishonest.
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    - aguaviva 2y ago
      No, it was just a simple mistake. What's genuinely dishonest is your (obviously intentional) insinuation that a single anecdote about how some local yahoos used the slogan is reflective of how the broader society uses and interprets the slogan. As if the pervasive use of traditional Russian patriotic symbols (such as its coat of arms, or the black-yellow-white flag) by the country's various neo-Nazi and ultranationalist groups should be seen as indicative of how the Russian populace as a whole sees those symbols. The implication you're making here is simply false, and you know it.

protomolecule 2y ago

Except the corresponding article[0] in Ukrainian Wikipedia as the proof that it is a "Ukrainian patriotic slogan" gives the link to the news page that shows a photo of a mob with torches and lists slogans like "Ukraine above all", "Glory to nation, death to enemies", "Bandera, Shukhevich -- heroes of Ukraine"[1]. [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Україна_понад_усе https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Україна_понад_усе [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20170206104859/http://24tv.ua/slava_natsiyi_smert_vorogam__na_donbasi_vlashtuvali_smoloskipnu_hodu_n773756 https://web.archive.org/web/20170206104859/http://24tv.ua/sl...

aguaviva 2y ago
Under the heading "In art". Corresponding to that community's decidedly marginal status in Ukrainian society.
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- protomolecule 2y ago
  >Under the heading "In art". That's just dishonest.
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    No, it was just a simple mistake. What's genuinely dishonest is your (obviously intentional) insinuation that a single anecdote about how some local yahoos used the slogan is reflective of how the broader society uses and interprets the slogan. As if the pervasive use of traditional Russian patriotic symbols (such as its coat of arms, or the black-yellow-white flag) by the country's various neo-Nazi and ultranationalist groups should be seen as indicative of how the Russian populace as a whole sees those symbols. The implication you're making here is simply false, and you know it.