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This lifestyle is literally impossible in most US cities unless you’re a high income earner.

by amrocha 2y ago

s1artibartfast 2y ago
No, it is trivial to spend an afternoon with friends or go for a walk.
- amrocha 2y ago
  Go for a walk where? On the side of the stroad? With your friends who live 10Km away and have to drive to meet you because there's no public transport?
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Sure, why not? My take is that Americans like to make infrastructure an excuse for everything when it really boils down to priorities and preferences. 10 km is a 20 minute bike ride if you're not too obese to fit on one. 10 minutes if you pick a coffee shop, pup, or Park that is halfway. Unfortunately, most people prefer Netflix and the fridge which is even closer
    - amrocha 2y ago
      I don’t think you’ve ever biked in a city if you think 10km is 20 minutes
    - hapara2024 2y ago
      >10km is a 20 minutes e-bike ? otherwise you have to be riding race type bike with really good dedicated bike lane
- bdangubic 2y ago
  in 89.65% ‘going for a walk’ is not possible unless you want to walk in circles around your house 76km away from the first tree/park/coffee house… you may though go for a drive in a pickup :)
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Maybe if you're living in the Alaskan wilderness, but pull up a map of San Francisco, Austin, or Denver and you'll find a plethora of parks, coffee shops, and pubs. That doesn't stop people from sitting at home watching Netflix alone
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      lol america to non-american who watch a lot of movies might be SF, Denver, Austin… and even in those urban areas (which is not typical America) most people would need a serious drive to find a park (I used to live in Denver area, walking to a park would have been like 110k steps :) )
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Strange, I pull up downtown Denver and I see like 20 parks within a square mile. However, this kind of whataboutism illustrates my point. There's a near infinite number of places humans can congregate to enjoy each other's company. It can be a park or a coffee shop or a pub or your kitchen table for tea. The fact that none of these are suitable demonstrates that the desire to get together is not there.
        Jensson 2y ago
        Can poor people afford to live there? In Europe poor neighborhoods has that as well, so everyone can get that if they want.
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        yeah, there are also open spaces and shops in the suburbs and country outside of urban centers.
        bdangubic 2y ago
        > "downtown Denver" downtown Denver can house minuscule part of the population of the Denver metro area - only those affluent enough to afford it. America (again) is not downtown Denver or downtown SF or downtown anything...

This lifestyle is literally impossible in most US cities unless you’re a high income earner.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

No, it is trivial to spend an afternoon with friends or go for a walk.

amrocha 2y ago
Go for a walk where? On the side of the stroad? With your friends who live 10Km away and have to drive to meet you because there's no public transport?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Sure, why not? My take is that Americans like to make infrastructure an excuse for everything when it really boils down to priorities and preferences. 10 km is a 20 minute bike ride if you're not too obese to fit on one. 10 minutes if you pick a coffee shop, pup, or Park that is halfway. Unfortunately, most people prefer Netflix and the fridge which is even closer
  - amrocha 2y ago
    I don’t think you’ve ever biked in a city if you think 10km is 20 minutes
  - hapara2024 2y ago
    >10km is a 20 minutes e-bike ? otherwise you have to be riding race type bike with really good dedicated bike lane
bdangubic 2y ago
in 89.65% ‘going for a walk’ is not possible unless you want to walk in circles around your house 76km away from the first tree/park/coffee house… you may though go for a drive in a pickup :)
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Maybe if you're living in the Alaskan wilderness, but pull up a map of San Francisco, Austin, or Denver and you'll find a plethora of parks, coffee shops, and pubs. That doesn't stop people from sitting at home watching Netflix alone
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    lol america to non-american who watch a lot of movies might be SF, Denver, Austin… and even in those urban areas (which is not typical America) most people would need a serious drive to find a park (I used to live in Denver area, walking to a park would have been like 110k steps :) )
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Strange, I pull up downtown Denver and I see like 20 parks within a square mile. However, this kind of whataboutism illustrates my point. There's a near infinite number of places humans can congregate to enjoy each other's company. It can be a park or a coffee shop or a pub or your kitchen table for tea. The fact that none of these are suitable demonstrates that the desire to get together is not there.
      - Jensson 2y ago
        Can poor people afford to live there? In Europe poor neighborhoods has that as well, so everyone can get that if they want.
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        yeah, there are also open spaces and shops in the suburbs and country outside of urban centers.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        > "downtown Denver" downtown Denver can house minuscule part of the population of the Denver metro area - only those affluent enough to afford it. America (again) is not downtown Denver or downtown SF or downtown anything...