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What’s even nicer is if kids don’t need their parents to leave them an inheritance just so they can afford a roof over their heads. The U.S. is filled with hom

What’s even nicer is if kids don’t need their parents to leave them an inheritance just so they can afford a roof over their heads. The U.S. is filled with homeless people. Even Italy, which was doing economically terrible when I visited, didn’t even have a fraction of the homelessness problem as in the U.S.

ovi256 2y ago
That's weird, because France has a higher rate of homelessness than the US. The French average, 45/100k pop, is comparable to NYC. Italy is much lower at 8/100k.
- com2kid 2y ago
  In Seattle it is over 400/100k, by some estimates higher than 500/100k. 45/100k would be an incredible improvement. Though looking up Paris, it is ~200/100k, which is still half of Seattle's rate!
- fakedang 2y ago
  Leave Paris and Marseille and you'll be golden. I'd be curious to see that kind of data.
  - dowager_dan99 2y ago
    well get out of the major, mild US cities and it drops substantially as well.
- Aloisius 2y ago
  I caution against trying to compare homeless statistics internationally. The definition of who is homeless and how they are counted varies dramatically between countries to the point where comparing headline numbers is largely useless.
anon291 2y ago
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- BadHumans 2y ago
  > Correction: the west coast is filled with homeless people due to democratic supermajorities. Most of the country is extremely clean. This is such a bias tinted view of reality. There are homeless in all parts of the country including suburban and rural areas. You find the majority of homeless in cities because that is just where people in generally are so if by most of the country is extremely clean you mean most of the country is extremely empty and void of life then yeah.
  - anon291 2y ago
    But you don't find massive unhoused homeless encampments (which is really all that matters for most people) in all cities. The problem is of a completely different scale in East coast, Midwest, Southern cities. Let's just ignore the rural areas and suburbs. Let's even ignore party (since most big cities are democrat run at this point). Even with all of those things held the same, the West Coast cities are still uniquely bad not just in the people without permanent housing but also their lack of ability to do anything. This particular article points to housing supply. Again, this is a simple choice. For example, my city of Portland, which is very high on this list, makes it impossible to build anything (tree planting requirements, years long waits for final premits, rent control, urban growth boundary, high tax state gov't, etc). It's terrible. At the end of the day though, Portlanders are Americans and will experience the same outcomes should the state just be normal
    - amrocha 2y ago
      Because nobody wants to live in the south, midwest and east coast. The west coast was a great place to live, people moved there, they didn’t build enough housing, people lose their jobs and can’t afford rent, they go homeless.
      - anon291 2y ago
dowager_dan99 2y ago
"The U.S. is filled with homeless people." is a popular, completely unsubstantiated statement from people who live elsewhere. Everywhere is filled with homeless people would be more accurate.
- RMPR 2y ago
  > Everywhere is filled with homeless people would be more accurate. Except Finland and Danemark[0] 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Finland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Finland
Matticus_Rex 2y ago
> The U.S. is filled with homeless people. Even Italy, which was doing economically terrible when I visited, didn’t even have a fraction of the homelessness problem as in the U.S. Interestingly, these are not unrelated. Italy's housing prices are very low because of how badly it's doing economically.
- mattigames 2y ago
  If so then its better if it did worse economically until homelessness becomes zero or close enough.
  - Matticus_Rex 2y ago
    Not that closely related. Much of homelessness is still not a housing price issue, and housing price issues are partially but not completely remediated by a contraction in the economy. And also... no -- homelessness is one bad problem, but there are other problems. Bad economies cause a myriad, including declining healthcare availability and reductions in life expectancy.
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ovi256 2y ago

That's weird, because France has a higher rate of homelessness than the US. The French average, 45/100k pop, is comparable to NYC. Italy is much lower at 8/100k.

com2kid 2y ago
In Seattle it is over 400/100k, by some estimates higher than 500/100k. 45/100k would be an incredible improvement. Though looking up Paris, it is ~200/100k, which is still half of Seattle's rate!
fakedang 2y ago
Leave Paris and Marseille and you'll be golden. I'd be curious to see that kind of data.
- dowager_dan99 2y ago
  well get out of the major, mild US cities and it drops substantially as well.
Aloisius 2y ago
I caution against trying to compare homeless statistics internationally. The definition of who is homeless and how they are counted varies dramatically between countries to the point where comparing headline numbers is largely useless.

anon291 2y ago

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BadHumans 2y ago
> Correction: the west coast is filled with homeless people due to democratic supermajorities. Most of the country is extremely clean. This is such a bias tinted view of reality. There are homeless in all parts of the country including suburban and rural areas. You find the majority of homeless in cities because that is just where people in generally are so if by most of the country is extremely clean you mean most of the country is extremely empty and void of life then yeah.
- anon291 2y ago
  But you don't find massive unhoused homeless encampments (which is really all that matters for most people) in all cities. The problem is of a completely different scale in East coast, Midwest, Southern cities. Let's just ignore the rural areas and suburbs. Let's even ignore party (since most big cities are democrat run at this point). Even with all of those things held the same, the West Coast cities are still uniquely bad not just in the people without permanent housing but also their lack of ability to do anything. This particular article points to housing supply. Again, this is a simple choice. For example, my city of Portland, which is very high on this list, makes it impossible to build anything (tree planting requirements, years long waits for final premits, rent control, urban growth boundary, high tax state gov't, etc). It's terrible. At the end of the day though, Portlanders are Americans and will experience the same outcomes should the state just be normal
  - amrocha 2y ago
    Because nobody wants to live in the south, midwest and east coast. The west coast was a great place to live, people moved there, they didn’t build enough housing, people lose their jobs and can’t afford rent, they go homeless.
    - anon291 2y ago

dowager_dan99 2y ago

"The U.S. is filled with homeless people." is a popular, completely unsubstantiated statement from people who live elsewhere. Everywhere is filled with homeless people would be more accurate.

RMPR 2y ago
> Everywhere is filled with homeless people would be more accurate. Except Finland and Danemark[0] 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Finland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Finland

Matticus_Rex 2y ago

> The U.S. is filled with homeless people. Even Italy, which was doing economically terrible when I visited, didn’t even have a fraction of the homelessness problem as in the U.S. Interestingly, these are not unrelated. Italy's housing prices are very low because of how badly it's doing economically.

mattigames 2y ago
If so then its better if it did worse economically until homelessness becomes zero or close enough.
- Matticus_Rex 2y ago
  Not that closely related. Much of homelessness is still not a housing price issue, and housing price issues are partially but not completely remediated by a contraction in the economy. And also... no -- homelessness is one bad problem, but there are other problems. Bad economies cause a myriad, including declining healthcare availability and reductions in life expectancy.
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