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If you are defending digital free speech and privacy, against the wishes of governments, you are defending the opportunity to spread CSAM. Necessarily. Data i

by mapt 2y ago

If you are defending digital free speech and privacy, against the wishes of governments, you are defending the opportunity to spread CSAM. Necessarily. Data is data. You may not like that, but you have to choose which is your higher priority: A world that contains platforms which permit digital free speech & privacy despite the preferences of government, or a world with a little less CSAM. We could always try and prosecute the extraordinarily rare child sexual abusor who is highly social (spreading/selling evidence against them), just like we try and prosecute terrorism or left-wing social activism: With an abundance of enthusiastic government infiltrators and investigators eager to build a case against somebody, rather than with prescriptive automatic filters or with mandatory enthusiastic private-sector infiltrators.

jazzyjackson 2y ago
"If you're defending the right for women to leave the household and work in co-ed spaces, you are defending the opportunity to rape." This is what you sound like to me.
- mapt 2y ago
  There's lots of rape inside households. Most, even. The only prescriptive, airtight solution is surgically modifying males so that they can't rape any more. Not a fan, but I suppose that depends on how certain we have to be that rape isn't occurring. How important is it to you? We could do a halfway thing where we install cameras in every room of every house to gather evidence against rapists. The latter is what we do with most digital communication platforms right now in order to try and track down CSAM. Durov got arrested for not paying people specifically to watch those cameras and call the police.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Uhhh no, he got arrested for not taking down content even after other people (including nation states) reported it to him. From the indictment: > JUNALCO's cybercrime unit (J3) was informed of Telegram's near-total lack of response to judicial requests, particularly by OFMIN (National Office for Minors). Other French investigation services, prosecutors, and Eurojust partners, notably Belgian, shared the same observation. This led JUNALCO to open an investigation into potential criminal liability of the messaging service's leaders.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    > The only prescriptive, airtight solution is surgically modifying males so that they can't rape any more. Your solution only works if you think that women can't and don't rape people, including other women. Reality strongly disagrees. Ultimately it all comes down to freedom vs security. We could force people to have surgery and lock them indoors to keep them safe, or we can accept putting ourselves in some amount of risk in exchange for giving ourselves more freedom.
llamaimperative 2y ago
Actually we have empirical disproofs of this called "nearly every major social media network in existence."
- mapt 2y ago
  What are you talking about? Most social media networks base their entire business model on selling your data. On practically none of them does privacy exist. And most of them would close up shop or sell out overnight if banned by a government.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Large American social media platforms stand up to hundreds of data requests from governments, both foreign and especially American, every day. Get a grip.

by mapt 2y ago

jazzyjackson 2y ago

"If you're defending the right for women to leave the household and work in co-ed spaces, you are defending the opportunity to rape." This is what you sound like to me.

mapt 2y ago
There's lots of rape inside households. Most, even. The only prescriptive, airtight solution is surgically modifying males so that they can't rape any more. Not a fan, but I suppose that depends on how certain we have to be that rape isn't occurring. How important is it to you? We could do a halfway thing where we install cameras in every room of every house to gather evidence against rapists. The latter is what we do with most digital communication platforms right now in order to try and track down CSAM. Durov got arrested for not paying people specifically to watch those cameras and call the police.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Uhhh no, he got arrested for not taking down content even after other people (including nation states) reported it to him. From the indictment: > JUNALCO's cybercrime unit (J3) was informed of Telegram's near-total lack of response to judicial requests, particularly by OFMIN (National Office for Minors). Other French investigation services, prosecutors, and Eurojust partners, notably Belgian, shared the same observation. This led JUNALCO to open an investigation into potential criminal liability of the messaging service's leaders.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > The only prescriptive, airtight solution is surgically modifying males so that they can't rape any more. Your solution only works if you think that women can't and don't rape people, including other women. Reality strongly disagrees. Ultimately it all comes down to freedom vs security. We could force people to have surgery and lock them indoors to keep them safe, or we can accept putting ourselves in some amount of risk in exchange for giving ourselves more freedom.

llamaimperative 2y ago

Actually we have empirical disproofs of this called "nearly every major social media network in existence."

mapt 2y ago
What are you talking about? Most social media networks base their entire business model on selling your data. On practically none of them does privacy exist. And most of them would close up shop or sell out overnight if banned by a government.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Large American social media platforms stand up to hundreds of data requests from governments, both foreign and especially American, every day. Get a grip.