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> The One is the first device to be developed to have native support for OpenWrt and in fact run it with no changes. Except there's no such thing as "OpenWrt w

> The One is the first device to be developed to have native support for OpenWrt and in fact run it with no changes. Except there's no such thing as "OpenWrt with no changes", because every OpenWrt build for every device is itself modified specifically for that device. The OpenWrt One is no exception; its OpenWrt builds, too, have device-specific settings and drivers, just like any other supported router. > The other devices are unsupported when running “third party” firmware, which would be OpenWrt is that case. It's a stretch to call them "unsupported" when the routers in question are specifically advertised as compatible with OpenWrt (if not already outright running OpenWrt). > OpenWrt is saying “this is the first router made for us, by us,” Which is still quite different from "this is the first router designed specifically for OpenWrt".

aspenmayer 2y ago
> Except there's no such thing as "OpenWrt with no changes", because every OpenWrt build for every device is itself modified specifically for that device. The OpenWrt One is no exception; its OpenWrt builds, too, have device-specific settings and drivers, just like any other supported router. There is such a thing as OpenWrt with no changes; that is, first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes. > It's a stretch to call them "unsupported" when the routers in question are specifically advertised as compatible with OpenWrt (if not already outright running OpenWrt). Vendors like to advertise compatibility but the fine print will always say that anything but the shipped stock configuration isn't supported under warranty, whereas the OpenWrt One is first-party supported by the vendor to run what the OpenWrt project ships as their official builds of the firmware. >> OpenWrt is saying “this is the first router made for us, by us,” > Which is still quite different from "this is the first router designed specifically for OpenWrt". This is the fist router designed specifically for OpenWrt, as I have elaborated upon above.
- yellowapple 2y ago
  > There is such a thing as OpenWrt with no changes; that is, first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes. An OpenWrt build with no changes is an OpenWrt build that doesn't actually run on any hardware - because it would either lack the drivers and configuration necessary to run on that hardware or else would be far too large to fit on the flash memory of that hardware. The OpenWrt One's OpenWrt build is no exception. And there are plenty of devices already that run "first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes"; any device without any out-of-tree drivers would qualify, and there are many. > This is the fist router designed specifically for OpenWrt, as I have elaborated upon above. No it is not, as I have elaborated upon above. We evidently have very different definitions of that, though, so this is probably the point where we agree to disagree and move on.
  - aspenmayer 2y ago
    > We evidently have very different definitions of that, though, so this is probably the point where we agree to disagree and move on. The OpenWrt One is the first device designed by the OpenWrt developers to run firmware images that they release. It’s very clear what I mean, but your pedantry prevents you from admitting fault. It’s not consistent with HN guidelines and you should stop or I will notify mods. But you do you.

aspenmayer 2y ago

> Except there's no such thing as "OpenWrt with no changes", because every OpenWrt build for every device is itself modified specifically for that device. The OpenWrt One is no exception; its OpenWrt builds, too, have device-specific settings and drivers, just like any other supported router. There is such a thing as OpenWrt with no changes; that is, first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes. > It's a stretch to call them "unsupported" when the routers in question are specifically advertised as compatible with OpenWrt (if not already outright running OpenWrt). Vendors like to advertise compatibility but the fine print will always say that anything but the shipped stock configuration isn't supported under warranty, whereas the OpenWrt One is first-party supported by the vendor to run what the OpenWrt project ships as their official builds of the firmware. >> OpenWrt is saying “this is the first router made for us, by us,” > Which is still quite different from "this is the first router designed specifically for OpenWrt". This is the fist router designed specifically for OpenWrt, as I have elaborated upon above.

yellowapple 2y ago
> There is such a thing as OpenWrt with no changes; that is, first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes. An OpenWrt build with no changes is an OpenWrt build that doesn't actually run on any hardware - because it would either lack the drivers and configuration necessary to run on that hardware or else would be far too large to fit on the flash memory of that hardware. The OpenWrt One's OpenWrt build is no exception. And there are plenty of devices already that run "first-party OpenWrt builds with no third-party changes"; any device without any out-of-tree drivers would qualify, and there are many. > This is the fist router designed specifically for OpenWrt, as I have elaborated upon above. No it is not, as I have elaborated upon above. We evidently have very different definitions of that, though, so this is probably the point where we agree to disagree and move on.
- aspenmayer 2y ago
  > We evidently have very different definitions of that, though, so this is probably the point where we agree to disagree and move on. The OpenWrt One is the first device designed by the OpenWrt developers to run firmware images that they release. It’s very clear what I mean, but your pedantry prevents you from admitting fault. It’s not consistent with HN guidelines and you should stop or I will notify mods. But you do you.