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> Am I missing something here? Video games

by enragedcacti 2y ago

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago
It's insane how out of touch people can be here, lol
- heraldgeezer 2y ago
  I have been trying to hold my slurs in reading this thread. These ML AI Macbook people are legit insane. Desktops and gaming is ugly and complex to them (because lego is hard and macbook look nice unga bunga), yet it is a mass market Intel wants to move in on. People here complain because Intel is not making a cheap GPU to "make AI" on when that's a market of maybe 1000 people. This Intel card is perfect for an esports gaming machine running CS2, Valorant, Rocket Leauge and casual or older games like The Sims, GoG games etc. Market of 1 million + right there, CS2 alone is 1mil people playing everyday. Not people grinding leetcode on their macs. Every real developer has a desktop, epyc cpu, giga ram and a nice GPU for downtime and run a real OS like Linux or even Windows (yes majority of devs run Windows)
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    Intel GPUs don't sell well to gamers. They've been on the market for years now. >market of maybe 1000 people The market of people interested in local ai inference is in the millions. If it's cheap enough the data center market is at least 10 million.
    - heraldgeezer 2y ago
      Yes, Intel cards have sucked. But they are trying again!
      - kimixa 2y ago
        Yes, everyone knows the best way of making a product not suck is to give up and never try again. /s
    - ac29 2y ago
      > Intel GPUs don't sell well to gamers. They've been on the market for years now. Intel has only had discrete GPUs on the market for 2 years. I guess that is a plural number of years, but only barely.
  - terhechte 2y ago
    Most devs use windows (https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-software-development-operating-system/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-softwar...). Reddit llocallama alone has 250k users. Clearly the market is bigger than 1000 people. Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests?
    - heraldgeezer 2y ago
      >Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests? Both groups have a high autism % We love to be "technically correct" and we often are. So we get frustrated when people claim things that are wrong.
- jmward01 2y ago
  How big is NVIDIA now? You don't think breaking into that market is a good strategy? And, yes, I understand that this is targeted at gamers and not ML. That was the point of the comment I made. Maybe if they did target ML they would make money and open a path to the massive server market out there.
  - bjoli 2y ago
    A video card that beats the 4060 for under $250 is very much going to be a problem for AMD and is going to eat the "low end" market if it is reasonably stable.

> Am I missing something here? Video games

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago

It's insane how out of touch people can be here, lol

heraldgeezer 2y ago
I have been trying to hold my slurs in reading this thread. These ML AI Macbook people are legit insane. Desktops and gaming is ugly and complex to them (because lego is hard and macbook look nice unga bunga), yet it is a mass market Intel wants to move in on. People here complain because Intel is not making a cheap GPU to "make AI" on when that's a market of maybe 1000 people. This Intel card is perfect for an esports gaming machine running CS2, Valorant, Rocket Leauge and casual or older games like The Sims, GoG games etc. Market of 1 million + right there, CS2 alone is 1mil people playing everyday. Not people grinding leetcode on their macs. Every real developer has a desktop, epyc cpu, giga ram and a nice GPU for downtime and run a real OS like Linux or even Windows (yes majority of devs run Windows)
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  Intel GPUs don't sell well to gamers. They've been on the market for years now. >market of maybe 1000 people The market of people interested in local ai inference is in the millions. If it's cheap enough the data center market is at least 10 million.
  - heraldgeezer 2y ago
    Yes, Intel cards have sucked. But they are trying again!
    - kimixa 2y ago
      Yes, everyone knows the best way of making a product not suck is to give up and never try again. /s
  - ac29 2y ago
    > Intel GPUs don't sell well to gamers. They've been on the market for years now. Intel has only had discrete GPUs on the market for 2 years. I guess that is a plural number of years, but only barely.
- terhechte 2y ago
  Most devs use windows (https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-software-development-operating-system/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-softwar...). Reddit llocallama alone has 250k users. Clearly the market is bigger than 1000 people. Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests?
  - heraldgeezer 2y ago
    >Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests? Both groups have a high autism % We love to be "technically correct" and we often are. So we get frustrated when people claim things that are wrong.
jmward01 2y ago
How big is NVIDIA now? You don't think breaking into that market is a good strategy? And, yes, I understand that this is targeted at gamers and not ML. That was the point of the comment I made. Maybe if they did target ML they would make money and open a path to the massive server market out there.
- bjoli 2y ago
  A video card that beats the 4060 for under $250 is very much going to be a problem for AMD and is going to eat the "low end" market if it is reasonably stable.