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This is presumptively assuming that being a homemaker is an objectively “worse” position. I think a lot of women would disagree with that position, possibly the

This is presumptively assuming that being a homemaker is an objectively “worse” position. I think a lot of women would disagree with that position, possibly the majority. Equity cannot mean that everyone works in an office, it should also mean that women that want to stay at home should be able to without being forced into a corporate world by the economy/circumstances.

jmyeet 2y ago
Either this is “traditional” misogyny wrapped up in a pseudo intellectual veneer or you fundamentally don’t understand the issue or what the commenter was saying. I say “traditional” because what’s fetishized as “traditional” was only true for a very narrow period in history and it necessitated a underclass of low paid help. Feminism is about equality of opportunity and not necessarily being bound by traditional gender roles. That doesn’t mean someone can’t be a homemaker. It means no one should be forced to be. It means everyone should autonomy over their own bodies. You made a wild suggestion that having more children years ago somehow is evidence of a lack of misogyny. North Korean women have more children because of poverty, a lack of options and limited to no access to birth control. South Korean women 50+ years ago had more children for basically the same reasons . South Korea has created a society where women have much higher expectations yet they’re paid less for the same jobs, moreso than most OECD countries. The US is down a path where people can’t afford housing and need multiple jobs to make ends meet. What we see is an entirely predictable drop in people having children.
meiraleal 2y ago
> Equity cannot mean that everyone works in an office, it should also mean that women that want to stay at home should be able to without being forced into a corporate world by the economy/circumstances Make it the law then. Housewives having an equal share of their husbands' income only when the husband is in a good mood is not a place we as society want to get back to.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  Aren’t all assets in a marriage already equally owned?
anigbrowl 2y ago
It is objectively worse in that the job doesn't come with cash flow. In an enlightened relationship where domestic duties are valued and all decision-making (including financial) is mutual and based on good faith, that'd work great. In reality if one person has all the cash income the relationship is usually massively skewed in their favor.
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        JetSpiegel 2y ago
        What kind of Intelligent Design bullshit does "biologically built" mean? I'm not talking about childbirth and breastfeeding, I mean raising the children. What part of woman's biology is tailored for changing diapers, reading books, playing around, walking them to school. Have woman nostrils evolved to not smell baby shit? Just admit you want to live in the Handmaiden's Tale, or Taliban Afghanistan, or 1950's America. You want a live-in prostitute cum maid cum babysitter. Why coat political thoughts in fake scientific thought? Man up and admit opressing women is the goal.

jmyeet 2y ago

Either this is “traditional” misogyny wrapped up in a pseudo intellectual veneer or you fundamentally don’t understand the issue or what the commenter was saying. I say “traditional” because what’s fetishized as “traditional” was only true for a very narrow period in history and it necessitated a underclass of low paid help. Feminism is about equality of opportunity and not necessarily being bound by traditional gender roles. That doesn’t mean someone can’t be a homemaker. It means no one should be forced to be. It means everyone should autonomy over their own bodies. You made a wild suggestion that having more children years ago somehow is evidence of a lack of misogyny. North Korean women have more children because of poverty, a lack of options and limited to no access to birth control. South Korean women 50+ years ago had more children for basically the same reasons . South Korea has created a society where women have much higher expectations yet they’re paid less for the same jobs, moreso than most OECD countries. The US is down a path where people can’t afford housing and need multiple jobs to make ends meet. What we see is an entirely predictable drop in people having children.

meiraleal 2y ago

> Equity cannot mean that everyone works in an office, it should also mean that women that want to stay at home should be able to without being forced into a corporate world by the economy/circumstances Make it the law then. Housewives having an equal share of their husbands' income only when the husband is in a good mood is not a place we as society want to get back to.

dyauspitr 2y ago
Aren’t all assets in a marriage already equally owned?

anigbrowl 2y ago

It is objectively worse in that the job doesn't come with cash flow. In an enlightened relationship where domestic duties are valued and all decision-making (including financial) is mutual and based on good faith, that'd work great. In reality if one person has all the cash income the relationship is usually massively skewed in their favor.

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        JetSpiegel 2y ago
        What kind of Intelligent Design bullshit does "biologically built" mean? I'm not talking about childbirth and breastfeeding, I mean raising the children. What part of woman's biology is tailored for changing diapers, reading books, playing around, walking them to school. Have woman nostrils evolved to not smell baby shit? Just admit you want to live in the Handmaiden's Tale, or Taliban Afghanistan, or 1950's America. You want a live-in prostitute cum maid cum babysitter. Why coat political thoughts in fake scientific thought? Man up and admit opressing women is the goal.