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> "efficient for everything": that is a bold claim, can you elaborate more on it? https://share.transistor.fm/s/124f8bc4 https://share.transistor.fm/s/124f8bc4

> "efficient for everything": that is a bold claim, can you elaborate more on it? https://share.transistor.fm/s/124f8bc4 https://share.transistor.fm/s/124f8bc4 > Also, can you name these other platforms? Fujitsu A64FX, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Denver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Denver > Also, can you back up the information about most users not leveraging Rosetta? Well I couldn't tell you that, but most people just use web browsers.

alganet 2y ago
Sorry, I'm not gonna hear some podcast PR by Apple. I heard their PR already. If most people just use web browsers, why so much effort has been put on Rosetta 2? Sounds very wasteful. Also, A64FX seems to agree with my statement that an ARM with some x86 spice makes a better product than just an ARM. And, if we're talking about making ARM mainstream, Raspberry Pi did more for the platform than Apple and deserves to get the good reputation.
- astrange 2y ago
  Dunno, who says a lot of effort was put into Rosetta 2? It's mostly something that was needed in the first few years so you could run Chrome and Photoshop, but those have been ported now. It's mostly useful for running WINE but that's not super common outside games. That said, a binary recompiler has a lot of uses once you have one: https://valgrind.org https://valgrind.org
  - alganet 2y ago
    Let's not walk around in circles. We already estabilished that the chip was designed to facilitate the transition. What you're saying is exactly what I'm saying. Having that x86 translation layer helped them sell macs. It doesn't matter if it is not needed now (it is needed now, otherwise it would have been removed). So, yes. Apple has a popular new band in town. But they still need to play some x86 covers to sell tickets. As I said, they have a good plan, but they're _not there yet_. When they'll be? When x86 translation is not shipped anymore. It's rather simple.

alganet 2y ago

Sorry, I'm not gonna hear some podcast PR by Apple. I heard their PR already. If most people just use web browsers, why so much effort has been put on Rosetta 2? Sounds very wasteful. Also, A64FX seems to agree with my statement that an ARM with some x86 spice makes a better product than just an ARM. And, if we're talking about making ARM mainstream, Raspberry Pi did more for the platform than Apple and deserves to get the good reputation.

astrange 2y ago
Dunno, who says a lot of effort was put into Rosetta 2? It's mostly something that was needed in the first few years so you could run Chrome and Photoshop, but those have been ported now. It's mostly useful for running WINE but that's not super common outside games. That said, a binary recompiler has a lot of uses once you have one: https://valgrind.org https://valgrind.org
- alganet 2y ago
  Let's not walk around in circles. We already estabilished that the chip was designed to facilitate the transition. What you're saying is exactly what I'm saying. Having that x86 translation layer helped them sell macs. It doesn't matter if it is not needed now (it is needed now, otherwise it would have been removed). So, yes. Apple has a popular new band in town. But they still need to play some x86 covers to sell tickets. As I said, they have a good plan, but they're _not there yet_. When they'll be? When x86 translation is not shipped anymore. It's rather simple.