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The MPs are being locked out from the National Assembly from overturning this coup: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/03/south-korea-martial-law/

by jahdG 2y ago

The MPs are being locked out from the National Assembly from overturning this coup: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/03/south-korea-martial-law/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/03/south-kore... For the South Korean population, the proper way to deal with this is a general strike. Do not work unless in absolutely vital sectors. Koreans here say that this is domestic. Hopefully it is and will be over soon. It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this. All of this "coincidentally" makes Trump's peace efforts more difficult. Trump will have to clean up all the fires started by this incompetent or malicious administration.

SuperShibe 2y ago
> It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this. All of this "coincidentally" makes Trump's peace efforts more difficult. Escalating in Ukraine (against Russia), launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. This SK-thing seems to divide from that pattern and I’d say it is domestic until proven otherwise. If anything, those other small stabs against Russia will aid negotiations as Russias global influence will be weakened by multiple small fires, some of which western allies can put out more easily.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. The only "pattern" between these two at least -- is that you haven't cited any direct, observable reason to believe that US agencies have been behind these events. You know, "evidence" and all that. But rather simply -- speculation.
  - SergeAx 2y ago
    You know, the idea of so called coups, revolutions and so on is that they should be impossible to tie to foreign agencies, at least for the first couple of months. Ex. Iran-1953, Chile-1973, etc.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying? The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know. Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
      - SergeAx 2y ago
        CIA involvement in both cases was proved with documents only recently, after declassification of documents.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        Right - because this was a completely different era, and information moved infinitely more slowly back then (and up until Vietnam unravelled, people are way more reluctant to call out of the government on its shenanigans compared today). Even so - actually it's a myth that most of these coups were even "secret" at time. By and large, the people actually living in these countries knew what as up. The Arbenz coup in 1954, for example (not on your list, but a canonical example of this "pattern") was exposed right away, and the US got a lot of flack for it internationally. Anyway, it's not like I'm asking hard "proof" and the full operational details. Just, you know, some objective indication that there's something going on along the lines of what you're alluding to. Which these days would be nearly impossible to hide for any length of time.
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by jahdG 2y ago

SuperShibe 2y ago

> It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this. All of this "coincidentally" makes Trump's peace efforts more difficult. Escalating in Ukraine (against Russia), launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. This SK-thing seems to divide from that pattern and I’d say it is domestic until proven otherwise. If anything, those other small stabs against Russia will aid negotiations as Russias global influence will be weakened by multiple small fires, some of which western allies can put out more easily.

aguaviva 2y ago
Launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. The only "pattern" between these two at least -- is that you haven't cited any direct, observable reason to believe that US agencies have been behind these events. You know, "evidence" and all that. But rather simply -- speculation.
- SergeAx 2y ago
  You know, the idea of so called coups, revolutions and so on is that they should be impossible to tie to foreign agencies, at least for the first couple of months. Ex. Iran-1953, Chile-1973, etc.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying? The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know. Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
    - SergeAx 2y ago
      CIA involvement in both cases was proved with documents only recently, after declassification of documents.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        Right - because this was a completely different era, and information moved infinitely more slowly back then (and up until Vietnam unravelled, people are way more reluctant to call out of the government on its shenanigans compared today). Even so - actually it's a myth that most of these coups were even "secret" at time. By and large, the people actually living in these countries knew what as up. The Arbenz coup in 1954, for example (not on your list, but a canonical example of this "pattern") was exposed right away, and the US got a lot of flack for it internationally. Anyway, it's not like I'm asking hard "proof" and the full operational details. Just, you know, some objective indication that there's something going on along the lines of what you're alluding to. Which these days would be nearly impossible to hide for any length of time.
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