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Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction. Rather than "freedom of movement and ass

by Uvix 2y ago

Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction. Rather than "freedom of movement and assembly", I'd argue that what we lost was "freedom of due process". Everyone was jailed, just in their own homes.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction Your freedom of movement is always restricted around e.g. U.S. military installations. That isn't a contradition, it's an abridgement. > what we lost was "freedom of due process". Everyone was jailed, just in their own homes Not what jail means. Not what due process means. Plenty of people broke the restrictions, some might have gotten ticketed. For those who faced jail time, they had access to courts. That is due process. You don't get any of that under martial law.
jknoepfler 2y ago
No, I and everyone else was still able to leave our homes. We were free to assemble in large numbers outside. I (and many others) exercised free assembly rights to protest the murder of George Floyd, for example (not the riots... ironically the one example of somethimg resembling martial law being imposed, albeit belatedly and with great reluctance). There was no curfew, particularly no curfew enforced by the military with threat of violence... ah, except during actual riots in a few cities. Businesses were forced to close alongside many non-essential government services. Nobody was jailed, not even in their own homes. Enforcement was through ordinary civil means, not by actual soldiers pointing guns at you, unaccountable to civilian law.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  you are right. people were free to protest and burn down police stations. It was people who wanted to walk on the beach or go surfing that had the guns pointed at them (albeit by police, not soldiers)
  - jknoepfler 2y ago
    I went surfing... and had picnics in the park... and hiked up two mountains... during Covid... wtf?

by Uvix 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Saying it doesn't resemble martial law, and then immediately listing freedoms that were abolished, is a contradiction Your freedom of movement is always restricted around e.g. U.S. military installations. That isn't a contradition, it's an abridgement. > what we lost was "freedom of due process". Everyone was jailed, just in their own homes Not what jail means. Not what due process means. Plenty of people broke the restrictions, some might have gotten ticketed. For those who faced jail time, they had access to courts. That is due process. You don't get any of that under martial law.

jknoepfler 2y ago

No, I and everyone else was still able to leave our homes. We were free to assemble in large numbers outside. I (and many others) exercised free assembly rights to protest the murder of George Floyd, for example (not the riots... ironically the one example of somethimg resembling martial law being imposed, albeit belatedly and with great reluctance). There was no curfew, particularly no curfew enforced by the military with threat of violence... ah, except during actual riots in a few cities. Businesses were forced to close alongside many non-essential government services. Nobody was jailed, not even in their own homes. Enforcement was through ordinary civil means, not by actual soldiers pointing guns at you, unaccountable to civilian law.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
you are right. people were free to protest and burn down police stations. It was people who wanted to walk on the beach or go surfing that had the guns pointed at them (albeit by police, not soldiers)
- jknoepfler 2y ago
  I went surfing... and had picnics in the park... and hiked up two mountains... during Covid... wtf?