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> If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it. This is false and excessively cynical. There are genuinely good people who have values and live

> If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it. This is false and excessively cynical. There are genuinely good people who have values and live up to those values, without hypocrisy, and that doesn't mean they have "carefully suppressed" desires to do otherwise.

bluGill 2y ago
They have desires all the time. Most of them will admit it. their actions prove their success at the suppression.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  The Path of Love begins with exercising our free will to choose to not be a selfish ahole. Suppression of our selfish urges is the first step to fully overcoming them, which is the process of purifying one's soul and, therefore, even the potential to vice. "Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God." That is the highest point of human self-evolution, though precious few even attempt it, much less recognize a person who has done so. And so few believe it to be possible that even those of us who try are in a small minority.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  Of course people have desires. My point is that some people have their desires and their values aligned, rather than having desires that run contrary to their values. No "suppression" required.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    Sometimes that happens. They also have other desires that conflict with their values at times. This is just a normal part of being a complex human.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 2y ago
  We all have conflicting desires. You might desire a healthy physique while simultaneously desiring a hamburger. But do you want to want the hamburger? Or do you want to want a salad? Which do you, the person (not the animal), really want? With a bit of reflection, it's not so difficult to figure out what you as a person really want, and it's often different than your lower level primal drives. Those who choose to eat the salad haven't suppressed anything - they've simply aligned their actions with their higher order desires.

bluGill 2y ago

They have desires all the time. Most of them will admit it. their actions prove their success at the suppression.

MrMcCall 2y ago
The Path of Love begins with exercising our free will to choose to not be a selfish ahole. Suppression of our selfish urges is the first step to fully overcoming them, which is the process of purifying one's soul and, therefore, even the potential to vice. "Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God." That is the highest point of human self-evolution, though precious few even attempt it, much less recognize a person who has done so. And so few believe it to be possible that even those of us who try are in a small minority.
JoshTriplett 2y ago
Of course people have desires. My point is that some people have their desires and their values aligned, rather than having desires that run contrary to their values. No "suppression" required.
- bluGill 2y ago
  Sometimes that happens. They also have other desires that conflict with their values at times. This is just a normal part of being a complex human.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 2y ago
We all have conflicting desires. You might desire a healthy physique while simultaneously desiring a hamburger. But do you want to want the hamburger? Or do you want to want a salad? Which do you, the person (not the animal), really want? With a bit of reflection, it's not so difficult to figure out what you as a person really want, and it's often different than your lower level primal drives. Those who choose to eat the salad haven't suppressed anything - they've simply aligned their actions with their higher order desires.