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> We had to destroy the village in order to save it. - Unknown U.S. Major in WWII > We have to destroy democracy to save it - Anti-populists in 2024

ttyprintk 2y ago
You slept through Jan, 2021?
- noworriesnate 2y ago
  Did you notice how the only people who were armed were the police and bodyguards of the elite?
  - taylodl 2y ago
    No, I didn't. What I noticed is people were armed with bear spray, baseball bats, and spears, along with other makeshift armaments such as fire extinguishers which were used to bludgeon police officers.
    - ttyprintk 2y ago
      I have seen the video with my own eyes. Long guns carried around the capital. Nooses. Homemade napalm. The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
    - noworriesnate 2y ago
      For four years people have called it an armed insurrection, but if Trump won the popular vote this year, and the authority to rule flows from the people, then clearly the people support the "insurrection." My mother in law HATES Trump and thinks the popular vote was "hacked," and I know that's a fairly popular opinion among anti-populists--is that one of your priors?
      - ttyprintk 2y ago
        Older, vulnerable people told me that voting for Trump this year was a way to avoid another Jan 6. Your mother in law is brave to say that. Tucker Carlson is a coward for claiming, despite the video, that Jan 6 was unarmed.
        noworriesnate 2y ago
        > Older, vulnerable people told me that voting for Trump this year was a way to avoid another Jan 6. Unfortunately it's not easy to have an honest conversation with someone who opposes Trump about Jan 6, precisely because of the cases where people's family ratted them out, ongoing imprisonment without trial, etc. > Your mother in law is brave to say that. She thinks she's going to prison for voting against Trump, so I definitely agree with you there. > Tucker Carlson is a coward for claiming, despite the video, that Jan 6 was unarmed. I guess it depends on what you mean by armed. If people were planning on actually wresting control of the government then they would have brought their firearms. None of the protestors had firearms. Some had improvised weapons, like bats, so yeah that's my bad for not being clear. A select few were armed with bats. It's more about intent, right? If you're going to overthrow the government you're obviously not going to leave your real weapons at home and instead just bring baseball bats. Also, events like Jan 6 are massive, complex and chaotic--and what is happening in one area can be totally unlike what is happening in a different area. Especially if there are organized groups trying to take advantage of the dissatisfaction in the crowd. Anyone showing videos and trying to characterize the event a single way is oversimplifying to fit their agenda.
        ttyprintk 2y ago
        You’re being misled. Quoting John Emanuel Banuelos, “I’m the one in the video with the gun right here” indicating the moment he fired it into the air twice. Three trials proved guns without so clear a confession.
        taylodl 2y ago
        There's a legal definition of "armed" and the Jan 6 insurrectionists fulfill that requirement. It was an armed insurrection. Also, their intent was not to overthrow the government - their intent was to overturn an election by means of interfering with the proceedings of Congress. An election they thought had been stolen due to the repeated lies made by Fox News and the Trump administration.

ttyprintk 2y ago

You slept through Jan, 2021?

noworriesnate 2y ago
Did you notice how the only people who were armed were the police and bodyguards of the elite?
- taylodl 2y ago
  No, I didn't. What I noticed is people were armed with bear spray, baseball bats, and spears, along with other makeshift armaments such as fire extinguishers which were used to bludgeon police officers.
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    I have seen the video with my own eyes. Long guns carried around the capital. Nooses. Homemade napalm. The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
  - noworriesnate 2y ago
    For four years people have called it an armed insurrection, but if Trump won the popular vote this year, and the authority to rule flows from the people, then clearly the people support the "insurrection." My mother in law HATES Trump and thinks the popular vote was "hacked," and I know that's a fairly popular opinion among anti-populists--is that one of your priors?
    - ttyprintk 2y ago
      Older, vulnerable people told me that voting for Trump this year was a way to avoid another Jan 6. Your mother in law is brave to say that. Tucker Carlson is a coward for claiming, despite the video, that Jan 6 was unarmed.
      - noworriesnate 2y ago
        > Older, vulnerable people told me that voting for Trump this year was a way to avoid another Jan 6. Unfortunately it's not easy to have an honest conversation with someone who opposes Trump about Jan 6, precisely because of the cases where people's family ratted them out, ongoing imprisonment without trial, etc. > Your mother in law is brave to say that. She thinks she's going to prison for voting against Trump, so I definitely agree with you there. > Tucker Carlson is a coward for claiming, despite the video, that Jan 6 was unarmed. I guess it depends on what you mean by armed. If people were planning on actually wresting control of the government then they would have brought their firearms. None of the protestors had firearms. Some had improvised weapons, like bats, so yeah that's my bad for not being clear. A select few were armed with bats. It's more about intent, right? If you're going to overthrow the government you're obviously not going to leave your real weapons at home and instead just bring baseball bats. Also, events like Jan 6 are massive, complex and chaotic--and what is happening in one area can be totally unlike what is happening in a different area. Especially if there are organized groups trying to take advantage of the dissatisfaction in the crowd. Anyone showing videos and trying to characterize the event a single way is oversimplifying to fit their agenda.
        ttyprintk 2y ago
        You’re being misled. Quoting John Emanuel Banuelos, “I’m the one in the video with the gun right here” indicating the moment he fired it into the air twice. Three trials proved guns without so clear a confession.
        taylodl 2y ago
        There's a legal definition of "armed" and the Jan 6 insurrectionists fulfill that requirement. It was an armed insurrection. Also, their intent was not to overthrow the government - their intent was to overturn an election by means of interfering with the proceedings of Congress. An election they thought had been stolen due to the repeated lies made by Fox News and the Trump administration.