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Almost everyone in Korea is completely shocked, including most people who voted for him in the presedential elections. This is in a country where no one bats a

by maeil 2y ago

Almost everyone in Korea is completely shocked, including most people who voted for him in the presedential elections. This is in a country where no one bats an eye even when sirens go off.

tacheiordache 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Kremlin's sawing chaos in the democratic world "President Yoon has taken an overwhelmingly pro-US policy compared to previous presidents," and his "PPP is fiercely anti-communist and advocates a hawkish policy against North Korea" [1]. With "many PPP politicians support[ing] South Korea having nuclear weapons on its own," this is not the man Pyongyang or Moscow want as dicator in Seoul. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Party_(South_Korea)#Foreign_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Party_(South_Kore...
  - notahacker 2y ago
    I don't think we can blame Moscow or Pyongyang, but I can't imagine they'd be unhappy about the leader of a prosperous wester-allied neighbouring democracy rejecting democracy with the short term outcome likely being him immediately deposed (probably taking a few fiercely anticommunist hawks down with him) or immediately ostracised by the international community
  - ANewFormation 2y ago
    I doubt this has anything to do with anybody outside of South Korea, but this is precisely the sort of man adversarial states would want. Think about what's going to happen next! You have an extremely unpopular leader trying to sieze power by force, presumably soon banning opposition parties and more. It's going to create extreme discontent at the minimum, and civil war at a maximum. And once he's eventually overthrown, his allies and interests often become anathema to the next regime, and the people. This is is like an enemy successfully carrying out a color revolution on fast forward.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > You have an extremely unpopular leader trying to sieze power by force, presumably soon banning opposition parties and more By this logic America won when Assad won the Syrian civil war. In geopolitics, power trumps popularity.
      - HPsquared 2y ago
        Very ironic given the ruling party in SK is called "People Power".
        fragmede 2y ago
        more or less ironic than the official name of their northern neighbor, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?
        deleted 2y ago
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        meiraleal 2y ago
        What about ism?
      - ANewFormation 2y ago
        Assad had majority approval prior to the war [1] (can't find any more recent adversarial polls, which may be telling) and his family has been in power for decades. The comparison is inappropriate. It's more akin to saying that states adversarial to the US won after the CIA overthrew a popular secular democracy in Iran, and installed a extremely unpopular puppet monarchy that was obseqious to the US. In general maintaining power without relatively widespread support is quite difficult - probably even more so in the digital era which makes conspiracies so much easier to organise. [1] - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrian...
        2y ago
- onemoresoop 2y ago
  Yes, Putin meddling in North Korea should be alarming to South Korea.
  - majesticglue 2y ago
    No. South Korea should be more alarmed about how US is treating their allies. Henry Kissinger quote: “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”
    - the_af 2y ago
      I strongly dislike Kissinger and his legacy, but apparently the full quote [1] doesn't imply being America's friend is fatal: "Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." Here Kissinger is advising Nixon not to let South Vietnam's dictator Thieu suffer the same fate as Diem (who was deposed and killed with the US support, or at least, the US turning a blind eye). [1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56471/30861 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56471/30861
  - t-3 2y ago
    Russia having better relationships with NK should have been expected by everyone since the start of sanctions rather than treated like a horrific surprise that nobody could have ever imagined. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and so on.
- lovegrenoble 2y ago
  Russians, highly likely ))
- dmix 2y ago
  There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.
  - sandworm101 2y ago
    And another will blame the US president.
  - sofixa 2y ago
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    - busterarm 2y ago
      At the same time, they're spread thin and their influence is actually waning. A lot of African countries that kicked western forces out and started working with Wagner Group are now courting the US Military to come back in because Wagner has been getting their asses kicked by insurgent forces all across the continent. Because of current alliances though it does very much feel like we're in the middle of a global armed conflict if you squint hard enough. It's just all being fought by proxies for now. France is in the middle of losing the last of its colonial empire and Russia & China are trying to muscle in to fill that void, with varying success.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        > France is in the middle of losing the last of its colonial empire and Russia & China are trying to muscle in to fill that void, with varying success Nobody is crying for that in Africa
    - majesticglue 2y ago
      Someone's been watching too much Western Media propaganda
      - sofixa 2y ago
        Which part do you think is wrong? Are there not Wagner mercenaries in Africa? Is Russia not working with Iran? Were Russian operatives not caught sabotaging infrastructure abroad?

by maeil 2y ago

Almost everyone in Korea is completely shocked, including most people who voted for him in the presedential elections. This is in a country where no one bats an eye even when sirens go off.

tacheiordache 2y ago

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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Kremlin's sawing chaos in the democratic world "President Yoon has taken an overwhelmingly pro-US policy compared to previous presidents," and his "PPP is fiercely anti-communist and advocates a hawkish policy against North Korea" [1]. With "many PPP politicians support[ing] South Korea having nuclear weapons on its own," this is not the man Pyongyang or Moscow want as dicator in Seoul. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Party_(South_Korea)#Foreign_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Party_(South_Kore...
- notahacker 2y ago
  I don't think we can blame Moscow or Pyongyang, but I can't imagine they'd be unhappy about the leader of a prosperous wester-allied neighbouring democracy rejecting democracy with the short term outcome likely being him immediately deposed (probably taking a few fiercely anticommunist hawks down with him) or immediately ostracised by the international community
- ANewFormation 2y ago
  I doubt this has anything to do with anybody outside of South Korea, but this is precisely the sort of man adversarial states would want. Think about what's going to happen next! You have an extremely unpopular leader trying to sieze power by force, presumably soon banning opposition parties and more. It's going to create extreme discontent at the minimum, and civil war at a maximum. And once he's eventually overthrown, his allies and interests often become anathema to the next regime, and the people. This is is like an enemy successfully carrying out a color revolution on fast forward.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > You have an extremely unpopular leader trying to sieze power by force, presumably soon banning opposition parties and more By this logic America won when Assad won the Syrian civil war. In geopolitics, power trumps popularity.
    - HPsquared 2y ago
      Very ironic given the ruling party in SK is called "People Power".
      - fragmede 2y ago
        more or less ironic than the official name of their northern neighbor, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
        meiraleal 2y ago
        What about ism?
    - ANewFormation 2y ago
      Assad had majority approval prior to the war [1] (can't find any more recent adversarial polls, which may be telling) and his family has been in power for decades. The comparison is inappropriate. It's more akin to saying that states adversarial to the US won after the CIA overthrew a popular secular democracy in Iran, and installed a extremely unpopular puppet monarchy that was obseqious to the US. In general maintaining power without relatively widespread support is quite difficult - probably even more so in the digital era which makes conspiracies so much easier to organise. [1] - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrian...
      - 2y ago
onemoresoop 2y ago
Yes, Putin meddling in North Korea should be alarming to South Korea.
- majesticglue 2y ago
  No. South Korea should be more alarmed about how US is treating their allies. Henry Kissinger quote: “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”
  - the_af 2y ago
    I strongly dislike Kissinger and his legacy, but apparently the full quote [1] doesn't imply being America's friend is fatal: "Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." Here Kissinger is advising Nixon not to let South Vietnam's dictator Thieu suffer the same fate as Diem (who was deposed and killed with the US support, or at least, the US turning a blind eye). [1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56471/30861 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56471/30861
- t-3 2y ago
  Russia having better relationships with NK should have been expected by everyone since the start of sanctions rather than treated like a horrific surprise that nobody could have ever imagined. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and so on.
lovegrenoble 2y ago
Russians, highly likely ))
dmix 2y ago
There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.
- sandworm101 2y ago
  And another will blame the US president.
- sofixa 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - busterarm 2y ago
    At the same time, they're spread thin and their influence is actually waning. A lot of African countries that kicked western forces out and started working with Wagner Group are now courting the US Military to come back in because Wagner has been getting their asses kicked by insurgent forces all across the continent. Because of current alliances though it does very much feel like we're in the middle of a global armed conflict if you squint hard enough. It's just all being fought by proxies for now. France is in the middle of losing the last of its colonial empire and Russia & China are trying to muscle in to fill that void, with varying success.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      > France is in the middle of losing the last of its colonial empire and Russia & China are trying to muscle in to fill that void, with varying success Nobody is crying for that in Africa
  - majesticglue 2y ago
    Someone's been watching too much Western Media propaganda
    - sofixa 2y ago
      Which part do you think is wrong? Are there not Wagner mercenaries in Africa? Is Russia not working with Iran? Were Russian operatives not caught sabotaging infrastructure abroad?