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> the screenshots from the "game" someone made One person. They're obviously troubled. Are we really going to let the actions of one person change the frame of

by saturn 14y ago

> the screenshots from the "game" someone made One person. They're obviously troubled. Are we really going to let the actions of one person change the frame of the whole discussion? A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. You could probably feed in any picture you like, man or woman. It's not a weighty factor in a discussion.

breadbox 14y ago
The game was made by one person, yes. But it's a little misleading to emphasize that this was "one person" when they were representative of the massive amounts of anti-feminist sentiment that was sent her way. If you look through the random sampling of comments her video garnered, it's hard to claim that the video game "changed the frame of the discussion" that was already well underway.
- papsosouid 14y ago
  You aren't seeing a random sampling though, she deletes any comments that are critical of her work or her funding method. She only leaves comments that are supportive, and ones that are abusive trolling.
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  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    Do you have any evidence to back this up? edit: papsosouid was unwilling to provide evidence. You can skip this subtree and not miss anything.
    - papsosouid 14y ago
      Not really, just first hand experience having her remove my post. You could consider the fact that there are no polite yet critical comments to her as evidence, but that could also be explained by there being absolutely no people who disagree with her and are polite.
      - mkr-hn 14y ago
        That's not evidence. For all I know you posted a hateful screed and it deserved to be deleted.
        papsosouid 14y ago
        I know it is not evidence. Which is why I said "not really". You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite if you think that is a more likely explanation for the complete lack of polite criticism on channels she controls even though such polite criticism clearly does exist on channels she doesn't control. You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted, despite the obvious fact that she doesn't delete those, they are all still there to view right now, and she revels in them and uses them for publicity and sympathy.
        mkr-hn 14y ago
        "You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite" I did not say this. "You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted" I did not say this. I asked for evidence. You're trying to divert attention from your failure to back a claim up.
        papsosouid 14y ago
        I have tried to be polite, but you are being deliberately obtuse. Which part of "not really" is difficult to understand? I did not claim to have evidence, quite the contrary I told you clearly I do not have evidence. And I know you didn't say those things, but you would have to believe those things in order to explain the state of every communication channel she controls. Look up "implication" in the dictionary. I am not trying to back up a claim for you. I do not care what you believe, you are not required to be rational. Believe whatever you like. But do try to at least be constructive if you wish to converse. Deliberately ignoring the words of the person you are responding to, and responding to the opposite of what they said is not productive.
haberman 14y ago
> One person. Did you see the other stuff on that page? There are a lot of violent and nasty things being directed at her, by (very likely) more than just one person. > A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. I think it means a whole hell of a lot to a person who was targeted by it. The purpose of the discussion, in my view, is not to pass judgement on whether the gaming community is good or bad, but to highlight the way that women are actually being treated, so that anyone with a sense of decency can be very clear that this behavior is not tolerated and shun/shame anyone who acts in this way. But I think that explaining it away as just the actions of one troubled person runs counter to this goal. Condemning it doesn't mean you're condemning yourself or your community, just the people who act in this way.

by saturn 14y ago

breadbox 14y ago

The game was made by one person, yes. But it's a little misleading to emphasize that this was "one person" when they were representative of the massive amounts of anti-feminist sentiment that was sent her way. If you look through the random sampling of comments her video garnered, it's hard to claim that the video game "changed the frame of the discussion" that was already well underway.

papsosouid 14y ago
You aren't seeing a random sampling though, she deletes any comments that are critical of her work or her funding method. She only leaves comments that are supportive, and ones that are abusive trolling.
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- mkr-hn 14y ago
  Do you have any evidence to back this up? edit: papsosouid was unwilling to provide evidence. You can skip this subtree and not miss anything.
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    Not really, just first hand experience having her remove my post. You could consider the fact that there are no polite yet critical comments to her as evidence, but that could also be explained by there being absolutely no people who disagree with her and are polite.
    - mkr-hn 14y ago
      That's not evidence. For all I know you posted a hateful screed and it deserved to be deleted.
      - papsosouid 14y ago
        I know it is not evidence. Which is why I said "not really". You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite if you think that is a more likely explanation for the complete lack of polite criticism on channels she controls even though such polite criticism clearly does exist on channels she doesn't control. You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted, despite the obvious fact that she doesn't delete those, they are all still there to view right now, and she revels in them and uses them for publicity and sympathy.
        mkr-hn 14y ago
        "You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite" I did not say this. "You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted" I did not say this. I asked for evidence. You're trying to divert attention from your failure to back a claim up.
        papsosouid 14y ago
        I have tried to be polite, but you are being deliberately obtuse. Which part of "not really" is difficult to understand? I did not claim to have evidence, quite the contrary I told you clearly I do not have evidence. And I know you didn't say those things, but you would have to believe those things in order to explain the state of every communication channel she controls. Look up "implication" in the dictionary. I am not trying to back up a claim for you. I do not care what you believe, you are not required to be rational. Believe whatever you like. But do try to at least be constructive if you wish to converse. Deliberately ignoring the words of the person you are responding to, and responding to the opposite of what they said is not productive.

haberman 14y ago

> One person. Did you see the other stuff on that page? There are a lot of violent and nasty things being directed at her, by (very likely) more than just one person. > A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. I think it means a whole hell of a lot to a person who was targeted by it. The purpose of the discussion, in my view, is not to pass judgement on whether the gaming community is good or bad, but to highlight the way that women are actually being treated, so that anyone with a sense of decency can be very clear that this behavior is not tolerated and shun/shame anyone who acts in this way. But I think that explaining it away as just the actions of one troubled person runs counter to this goal. Condemning it doesn't mean you're condemning yourself or your community, just the people who act in this way.