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It is funny because my former company was trying to move out of vmware even before the broadcome aquisition and the local sales rep pretty much told us RHEV was

It is funny because my former company was trying to move out of vmware even before the broadcome aquisition and the local sales rep pretty much told us RHEV was a dead project but at the time openshift virt wasn't ready yet. In the end I left before broadcom bought vmware but the status at the time was "let's wait a bit more".

rwmj 2y ago
I don't agree with the deprecation of RHV since it's very closely modelled on VMware vCenter in terms of the concepts and user interface. So it's ideal for ex-VMware admins. But here we are. Containers & Kubernetes are more buzzword-compliant than virtual machines.
ghaff 2y ago
Basically, RHEV as a VMware takeout project never gained a lot of traction. With the general industry shift towards containers and Kubernetes plus the Broadcom acquisition, kubevirt in combination with a much more mature OpenShift is a lot more interesting.
- heraldgeezer 2y ago
  So working in the MSP space providing IT support to clients, our VMs are 90% mostly Windows Servers. Due to the applications, our clients use + AD + File share. Explain how (excuse the French) the fuck Kubernetes and OpenShift helps here. Thanks xoxo
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Red Hat (obviously) and Microsoft (increasingly) aren't all that focused on Windows as an operating system on the server. And the desktop, in general, is about the browser with some relatively niche exceptions. Probably, outside of VMware, you run Xen for Windows servers.
    - heraldgeezer 2y ago
      Okay, but I thought the whole point of VMs was to be OS agnostic? :) I should be able to run all OS on a VM platform. :) Right? :) What is the friggin point. Xen is an option but is it viable for big datacentre deployments?
      - ghaff 2y ago
        There are always transition costs from the point of view of migration/management at least. Applies to one version of Linux to another as well. The strategic jump is probably to Kubernetes/OpenShift/kubevirt but there are probably intermediate steps like Xen one could make instead off VMware.
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      A browser as a desktop replacement is something for management roles. Although if you only need a browser for work, the company should check if they need the role in the first place. Producing industry isn't a niche exception.
      - zrobotics 2y ago
        Umm, I think you are just in a bit of a bubble with regards to a lot of jobs, there are tons of people who do useful work that just use a browser. Off the top of my head, just in my company the customer service and shipping staff are entirely browser based. Finance is mostly browser based in many orgs, and for people who are all-in on Google docs it's 100% browser based. Service companies such as contractors seem to have transitioned to cloud platforms accessed off of a browser or Android app that is essentially just a webview. Ironically, tech companies are behind the curve in regards to having a higher proportion of users like devs and designers that need applications that aren't browser based.
        ghaff 2y ago
        I use desktop apps for certain things--mostly multimedia and dev. But I spend the majority of my time in a browser. I mostly don't even use my office because the 10-year old laptop in my kitchen works fine for web-based work, don't need a second monitor for many tasks, and the room is lighter and airier.
  - swarnie 2y ago
    Odd way of phrasing your question but my general thought is your <10 server, no IT staff MSP customers aren't the focus of this conversation or most of the userbase here.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  vmware attracted exactly the companies who were not necessarily shifting, or not shifting everything to containers and kubernetes. There are still loads of companies who still manage pets.

rwmj 2y ago

I don't agree with the deprecation of RHV since it's very closely modelled on VMware vCenter in terms of the concepts and user interface. So it's ideal for ex-VMware admins. But here we are. Containers & Kubernetes are more buzzword-compliant than virtual machines.

ghaff 2y ago

Basically, RHEV as a VMware takeout project never gained a lot of traction. With the general industry shift towards containers and Kubernetes plus the Broadcom acquisition, kubevirt in combination with a much more mature OpenShift is a lot more interesting.

heraldgeezer 2y ago
So working in the MSP space providing IT support to clients, our VMs are 90% mostly Windows Servers. Due to the applications, our clients use + AD + File share. Explain how (excuse the French) the fuck Kubernetes and OpenShift helps here. Thanks xoxo
- ghaff 2y ago
  Red Hat (obviously) and Microsoft (increasingly) aren't all that focused on Windows as an operating system on the server. And the desktop, in general, is about the browser with some relatively niche exceptions. Probably, outside of VMware, you run Xen for Windows servers.
  - heraldgeezer 2y ago
    Okay, but I thought the whole point of VMs was to be OS agnostic? :) I should be able to run all OS on a VM platform. :) Right? :) What is the friggin point. Xen is an option but is it viable for big datacentre deployments?
    - ghaff 2y ago
      There are always transition costs from the point of view of migration/management at least. Applies to one version of Linux to another as well. The strategic jump is probably to Kubernetes/OpenShift/kubevirt but there are probably intermediate steps like Xen one could make instead off VMware.
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    A browser as a desktop replacement is something for management roles. Although if you only need a browser for work, the company should check if they need the role in the first place. Producing industry isn't a niche exception.
    - zrobotics 2y ago
      Umm, I think you are just in a bit of a bubble with regards to a lot of jobs, there are tons of people who do useful work that just use a browser. Off the top of my head, just in my company the customer service and shipping staff are entirely browser based. Finance is mostly browser based in many orgs, and for people who are all-in on Google docs it's 100% browser based. Service companies such as contractors seem to have transitioned to cloud platforms accessed off of a browser or Android app that is essentially just a webview. Ironically, tech companies are behind the curve in regards to having a higher proportion of users like devs and designers that need applications that aren't browser based.
      - ghaff 2y ago
        I use desktop apps for certain things--mostly multimedia and dev. But I spend the majority of my time in a browser. I mostly don't even use my office because the 10-year old laptop in my kitchen works fine for web-based work, don't need a second monitor for many tasks, and the room is lighter and airier.
- swarnie 2y ago
  Odd way of phrasing your question but my general thought is your <10 server, no IT staff MSP customers aren't the focus of this conversation or most of the userbase here.
prmoustache 2y ago
vmware attracted exactly the companies who were not necessarily shifting, or not shifting everything to containers and kubernetes. There are still loads of companies who still manage pets.