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Do you have anything you can cite that supports your point about this being a back channel immigration method? I live in a city that has a huge number Chinese

Do you have anything you can cite that supports your point about this being a back channel immigration method? I live in a city that has a huge number Chinese students, who I regularly see coming and going from the campuses. Not all top universities, either. It does seem to me like these foreign student communities can be overly insular but I've never seen any evidence that they're illegally overstaying at any scale. As they generally come from wealthy backgrounds and societies that heavily emphasise family values, I am skeptical that they'd get higher quality of life in the UK than their home countries.

arccy 2y ago
the goal is legal residency, not illegal overstaying. the universities offer the path of: pay money, get a visa. by not teaching anything, the "students" are free to go work and earn back the outrageous tuition fees, or if they're rich enough, just go enjoy life around europe. free (long term) movement/immigration for the people to anywhere desirable is dead in the modern world, you generally need to pay (golden visas, "education") or be paid (work visas).
- ojhughes 2y ago
  The vast majority of Chinese students do not plan on migrating to the UK. They usually do it so they can complete a Masters in 1 year instead of the 2 years required by Chinese universities. Having an international degree also holds weight in the domestic job market.
- pjc50 2y ago
  The visa is (a) not permanent and (b) only valid for the UK, which was never in Schengen; if you are a non-EU national you need to get a visa for each European country you plan to visit, separately, according to their rules.
- andygh 2y ago
  Teir 4 Visas place quite significant restrictions on what kind of work you can or can't do, and when: https://www.gov.uk/student-visa https://www.gov.uk/student-visa If you've ever applied for a job in the UK, you'll know that companies take their right to work compliance obligations very seriously.
tompccs 2y ago
To be clear - nothing in the article or my comment mentions Chinese students, whose numbers have stagnated or if anything gone in reverse. Most students now come from India, and the fastest growing regions sending students are now South Asia and Africa: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/chart-6 https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/chart-6

arccy 2y ago

the goal is legal residency, not illegal overstaying. the universities offer the path of: pay money, get a visa. by not teaching anything, the "students" are free to go work and earn back the outrageous tuition fees, or if they're rich enough, just go enjoy life around europe. free (long term) movement/immigration for the people to anywhere desirable is dead in the modern world, you generally need to pay (golden visas, "education") or be paid (work visas).

ojhughes 2y ago
The vast majority of Chinese students do not plan on migrating to the UK. They usually do it so they can complete a Masters in 1 year instead of the 2 years required by Chinese universities. Having an international degree also holds weight in the domestic job market.
pjc50 2y ago
The visa is (a) not permanent and (b) only valid for the UK, which was never in Schengen; if you are a non-EU national you need to get a visa for each European country you plan to visit, separately, according to their rules.
andygh 2y ago
Teir 4 Visas place quite significant restrictions on what kind of work you can or can't do, and when: https://www.gov.uk/student-visa https://www.gov.uk/student-visa If you've ever applied for a job in the UK, you'll know that companies take their right to work compliance obligations very seriously.

tompccs 2y ago

To be clear - nothing in the article or my comment mentions Chinese students, whose numbers have stagnated or if anything gone in reverse. Most students now come from India, and the fastest growing regions sending students are now South Asia and Africa: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/chart-6 https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/chart-6