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>[I]f you're a teacher and you have a student named David Mayer and you want help sorting a class list, ChatGPT would refuse the task. Maybe use the right tool

>[I]f you're a teacher and you have a student named David Mayer and you want help sorting a class list, ChatGPT would refuse the task. Maybe use the right tool for the job? Just kidding, of course LLMsort will soon be in standard libraries.

anotherhue 2y ago
"AI Bubble Sort" surely?
- tejtm 2y ago
  bozo sort would be oddly redundant
- kombookcha 2y ago
  Bonzi Buddy Reloaded
  - DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
    What’s amazing is that if you install and run BonziBuddy (in a Win98 or XP VM, ofc) is his little RAM the whole thing uses - despite being blatant spyware.
    - kombookcha 2y ago
      There used to be a care for the craftsmanship, I tell you! :b
singularity2001 2y ago
It'll come as an npm package which will download 30GB model.
- draw_down 2y ago
  Don’t start blaming JS people for this AI mess! We’re busy making webpages slow.
  - manquer 2y ago
    And draining battery with electron apps , our work is important driver of new laptop sales and boosts the economy
    - draw_down 2y ago
      [dead]
shagie 2y ago
The relevant xkcd is https://www.xkcd.com/1185/ https://www.xkcd.com/1185/ The implementation of stack sort is https://github.com/gkoberger/stacksort/ https://github.com/gkoberger/stacksort/ and hosted on https://gkoberger.github.io/stacksort/ https://gkoberger.github.io/stacksort/
rob74 2y ago
No kidding, I recently tried to use Copilot to generate a list of methods in a class, grouped by access (public/private/protected) and sorted by number of lines. And it was not possible! It duly generated lists upon lists, but all of them had mistakes, some of them obvious (like all private methods having the same number of lines), some less obvious.
Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
This is perhaps a too extreme example and I wouldn't use ChatGPT for sorting a class list when it's trivial to do in a spreadsheet, especially because I'll probably need to have the list stored as a spreadsheet anyway to keep track of grades. However, from a more general point of view, there is value in having a universal interface that you can use to perform a huge variety of tasks, including also tasks for which it is clearly overkill. Using the right tool for the job means knowing what the right tool is, having it installed (or getting access to it), knowing how to use it, opening it and having one more window/tab to context-switch to and from, etc. Outsourcing tasks to an LLM that can be solved in traditional task-specific ways is extremely inefficient in various ways (cost, energy consumption, etc.) but it makes sense to save human time and effort... as long as it's for tasks that LLMs can actually do reliably, of course.
Martinussen 2y ago
If someone doesn't have the skills to parse text programmatically, the situation can often be something like "a Word table of names in a 4-wide grid with random missing fields, spanning three different pages, one of which is no longer a true table because it was copied out and pasted in again from a messenger chat someone sent last year", and LLMs can be quite good for one-off tasks like that. Definitely good enough that people will keep using them like that, at least.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
  Yeah, chatgpt is great for text manipulation. I used it to format a list I copied from Wikipedia then had it write a script to rename a bunch of videos using that list.
bryanrasmussen 2y ago
write a story with all the students in my class (list of names) going on an exciting dungeons and dragons like adventure!
PoignardAzur 2y ago
Didn't you already make this exact same joke on another LLM post?
NiloCK 2y ago
For a non developer, an LLM interface is absolutely the right tool for this job. "Mr. Smith, why didn't you just sort -o students.txt students.txt. Are you stupid?" (Not to mention that real data is messy, and requires pre & post processing) LLMs are access to computation for people whose "standard library" is a quiet old building downtown.
- ronald_raygun 2y ago
  "i would be happy to assist you in rtfm"
- maeil 2y ago
  Excel. Most likely the student info is in a spreadsheet already anyway. Everything outside of tech runs on Excel.

anotherhue 2y ago

"AI Bubble Sort" surely?

tejtm 2y ago
bozo sort would be oddly redundant
kombookcha 2y ago
Bonzi Buddy Reloaded
- DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
  What’s amazing is that if you install and run BonziBuddy (in a Win98 or XP VM, ofc) is his little RAM the whole thing uses - despite being blatant spyware.
  - kombookcha 2y ago
    There used to be a care for the craftsmanship, I tell you! :b

singularity2001 2y ago

It'll come as an npm package which will download 30GB model.

draw_down 2y ago
Don’t start blaming JS people for this AI mess! We’re busy making webpages slow.
- manquer 2y ago
  And draining battery with electron apps , our work is important driver of new laptop sales and boosts the economy
  - draw_down 2y ago
    [dead]

shagie 2y ago

The relevant xkcd is https://www.xkcd.com/1185/ https://www.xkcd.com/1185/ The implementation of stack sort is https://github.com/gkoberger/stacksort/ https://github.com/gkoberger/stacksort/ and hosted on https://gkoberger.github.io/stacksort/ https://gkoberger.github.io/stacksort/

rob74 2y ago

No kidding, I recently tried to use Copilot to generate a list of methods in a class, grouped by access (public/private/protected) and sorted by number of lines. And it was not possible! It duly generated lists upon lists, but all of them had mistakes, some of them obvious (like all private methods having the same number of lines), some less obvious.

Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago

This is perhaps a too extreme example and I wouldn't use ChatGPT for sorting a class list when it's trivial to do in a spreadsheet, especially because I'll probably need to have the list stored as a spreadsheet anyway to keep track of grades. However, from a more general point of view, there is value in having a universal interface that you can use to perform a huge variety of tasks, including also tasks for which it is clearly overkill. Using the right tool for the job means knowing what the right tool is, having it installed (or getting access to it), knowing how to use it, opening it and having one more window/tab to context-switch to and from, etc. Outsourcing tasks to an LLM that can be solved in traditional task-specific ways is extremely inefficient in various ways (cost, energy consumption, etc.) but it makes sense to save human time and effort... as long as it's for tasks that LLMs can actually do reliably, of course.

Martinussen 2y ago

If someone doesn't have the skills to parse text programmatically, the situation can often be something like "a Word table of names in a 4-wide grid with random missing fields, spanning three different pages, one of which is no longer a true table because it was copied out and pasted in again from a messenger chat someone sent last year", and LLMs can be quite good for one-off tasks like that. Definitely good enough that people will keep using them like that, at least.

ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
Yeah, chatgpt is great for text manipulation. I used it to format a list I copied from Wikipedia then had it write a script to rename a bunch of videos using that list.

bryanrasmussen 2y ago

write a story with all the students in my class (list of names) going on an exciting dungeons and dragons like adventure!

PoignardAzur 2y ago

Didn't you already make this exact same joke on another LLM post?

NiloCK 2y ago

For a non developer, an LLM interface is absolutely the right tool for this job. "Mr. Smith, why didn't you just sort -o students.txt students.txt. Are you stupid?" (Not to mention that real data is messy, and requires pre & post processing) LLMs are access to computation for people whose "standard library" is a quiet old building downtown.

ronald_raygun 2y ago
"i would be happy to assist you in rtfm"
maeil 2y ago
Excel. Most likely the student info is in a spreadsheet already anyway. Everything outside of tech runs on Excel.