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> The idea that business leaders can be ever considered genuine political or cultural voice or actor is the problem. Silicon Valley and hacker culture has creat
by sofixa 2y ago
> The idea that business leaders can be ever considered genuine political or cultural voice or actor is the problem. Silicon Valley and hacker culture has created an atmosphere of business politicians and for some reason hackers take them seriously and don't laugh at their faces.
> Traditionally business people don't get into discussions of culture or politics directly. They might work in the background, but never directly. There is a good reason for that.
What is "traditional" for you? East India Company and the VOC (Dutch East Indies Company) conquering lands and colonising people, and directing foreign and military policy for centuries traditional enough?
Stabdard Oil's Rockefeller influenced politics aplently. William Randolph Hearst was the son of a Senator, businessman, newspaper publisher and politician who was among the main causes for a war for colonies. The Dole Company, United Fruit company, Standard Fruit company literally toppled governments and operated death squads, and often had enough influence to get the US marines involved ("War is a Racket" by a Marine general who took part in the banana wars describes this nicely). JFK's father was a businessman who got into politics for his and his family's interests.
In Russia, oligarchs are the ruling class and are politics, and have been for the past 30 years. In the US, you have multiple businesspeople and very rich people in the upcomming cabinet.
South Korea is sometimes jokingly referred to as the Republic of Samsung due to the outsized influence Samsung have on their GDP (22%), with ramifications such as their high level execs getting pardoned of crimes such as bribery of public officials due to the impact it would have on the company and country.
Business has always tried to influence politics in its favour, which often escalated into branching put into politics, often directly.
- nabla9 2y agoI did not speak against using money to get political power. Your examples honest power plays. Using raw power to benefit themself. This was about propaganda and criticism of those who believe it.
- lucianbr 2y agoThe examples were not honest at the time. They only seem so to you through the lens of history. You think the banana companies plainly said "we want to change the government, kill any opposition if necessary, just to make more money"? That's just our view now. Because there's nothing more to be gained from clouding the issue. They made the money, time has passed, there's no way to reach back and change anything. At the time, they pretended they had other reasons, to get support from people who didn't understand the situation. Just like it happens now.
- sofixa 2y agoHow was deposing Hawaii's kingdom to be able to exploit the land for pineapples an "honest power play"?
- kmeisthax 2y ago> "War is a Racket" by a Marine general who took part in the banana wars describes this nicely Smedley D. Butler, who a year prior was paid off by J. P. Morgan to coup the US government and immediately went to Congress to blow the lid on the plot. The Wikipedia article lists a lot of people who think the plot was more of a joke than a reality, but I suspect had it been kept secret it would have eventually been executed.