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N100 is inexpensive, has impressive performance, and can support 16+ GB RAM. That said, I do also use an R.Pi 4 and an R.Pi 400. The significant advantages of

N100 is inexpensive, has impressive performance, and can support 16+ GB RAM. That said, I do also use an R.Pi 4 and an R.Pi 400. The significant advantages of the R.Pi 4 and R.Pi 5 are = R.Pi is a learning-first platform = current Debian supported "out-of-the-box" with a custom D.E. and Wayland = excellent community for software and hardware = the R.Pi 400 (and the expected R.Pi 500) "keyboard computer" are unique in the marketplace, with all the community and support = R.Pi is not an X86 platform, which may be favourable depending on your project requirements

echoangle 2y ago
> current Debian supported "out-of-the-box" with a custom D.E. and Wayland I’m not sure I understand the point, because Debian supports N100 PCs natively, too. Or is a custom DE the advantage?
- heresie-dabord 2y ago
  > Or is a custom DE the advantage Yes, as a learning-first (teaching) platform, the custom DE is an advantage. But further, the R.Pi does not need to be an over-sized solution or lead a benchmark with a top score. It just needs to be fast enough for learning and hacking with GPIO. A computer doesn't need to have a gigahertz burst mode just to run an efficient little OS for coding. As for Wayland, it only recently became the default WM. But it is nice to have.
  - ac29 2y ago
    > A computer doesn't need to have a gigahertz burst mode just to run an efficient little OS for coding. If efficiency is your goal, you should prefer the N100 which is built on a 7nm class process compared to the Pi 5's 16nm.
catdog 2y ago
> N100 is inexpensive, has impressive performance, and can support 16+ GB RAM. Yep runs 32 GB just fine, even if not advertised. Also great Software support as usual on the PC Platform. Also more I/O, esp. PCIe than a Pi and you actually can buy boards with standard connectors. Also at least for server type use cases x86 is most of the time probably still a lot less painful than ARM.
- heresie-dabord 2y ago
  > for server type use cases x86 is most of the time probably still a lot less painful than ARM. This isn't true if Debian is supported. As for the architecture per se, we should consider what Apple has accomplished with its switch to ARM.
  - ac29 2y ago
    With the appropriate license, there is no particular reason Apple's team couldn't have built a good x86 processor. Switching to ARM was a matter of necessity, not due to a superior architecture. Architecture largely doesn't matter these days, just how you implement it and what fabrication you build it with.
walrus01 2y ago
> = current Debian supported "out-of-the-box" with a custom D.E. and Wayland Effectively the same thing for basic desktop use, disregarding wayland, as doing a basic bare bones debian x86-64 CLI only install (totaling something like 1.2GB disk space used) and then "sudo apt install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies libreoffice gimp thunderbird firefox-esr gthumb nautilus konqueror", or whatever other list of applications one wants to install along with xorg and the desktop environment.

echoangle 2y ago

> current Debian supported "out-of-the-box" with a custom D.E. and Wayland I’m not sure I understand the point, because Debian supports N100 PCs natively, too. Or is a custom DE the advantage?

heresie-dabord 2y ago
> Or is a custom DE the advantage Yes, as a learning-first (teaching) platform, the custom DE is an advantage. But further, the R.Pi does not need to be an over-sized solution or lead a benchmark with a top score. It just needs to be fast enough for learning and hacking with GPIO. A computer doesn't need to have a gigahertz burst mode just to run an efficient little OS for coding. As for Wayland, it only recently became the default WM. But it is nice to have.
- ac29 2y ago
  > A computer doesn't need to have a gigahertz burst mode just to run an efficient little OS for coding. If efficiency is your goal, you should prefer the N100 which is built on a 7nm class process compared to the Pi 5's 16nm.

catdog 2y ago

> N100 is inexpensive, has impressive performance, and can support 16+ GB RAM. Yep runs 32 GB just fine, even if not advertised. Also great Software support as usual on the PC Platform. Also more I/O, esp. PCIe than a Pi and you actually can buy boards with standard connectors. Also at least for server type use cases x86 is most of the time probably still a lot less painful than ARM.

heresie-dabord 2y ago
> for server type use cases x86 is most of the time probably still a lot less painful than ARM. This isn't true if Debian is supported. As for the architecture per se, we should consider what Apple has accomplished with its switch to ARM.
- ac29 2y ago
  With the appropriate license, there is no particular reason Apple's team couldn't have built a good x86 processor. Switching to ARM was a matter of necessity, not due to a superior architecture. Architecture largely doesn't matter these days, just how you implement it and what fabrication you build it with.

walrus01 2y ago

> = current Debian supported "out-of-the-box" with a custom D.E. and Wayland Effectively the same thing for basic desktop use, disregarding wayland, as doing a basic bare bones debian x86-64 CLI only install (totaling something like 1.2GB disk space used) and then "sudo apt install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies libreoffice gimp thunderbird firefox-esr gthumb nautilus konqueror", or whatever other list of applications one wants to install along with xorg and the desktop environment.