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It just works. Plenty of Rockchip bargains out there but how long are they supported https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/popular-rockchip-sbc-distro-limbo-a

It just works. Plenty of Rockchip bargains out there but how long are they supported https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/popular-rockchip-sbc-distro-limbo-after-maintainer-burns-out https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/popular-rockchip-sbc-... Meanwhile the original Pi model only just went EoL https://endoflife.date/raspberry-pi https://endoflife.date/raspberry-pi

danielheath 2y ago
The n100 is an intel board and all the parts used in the cheap nucs I have tried are supported on quite old mainline kernels. At about twice the price for just the pi, I got a n100 machine (with a case and power supply and 500mb ssd and 16gb ram). Draws about 10 watts, is faster on every axis, and once you setup the pi with a case/psu it’s very close to the same price.
- mikae1 2y ago
  > Draws about 10 watts Idling?
  - mikae1 2y ago
    OK. EU prices seems to be at least two times higher for a N100 mini PC. Energy consumption seems to be 2x-3x higher. The RPi5 idles at ~3.5w and the N100 at 10w. But yeah, the N100 is faster. You need a power brick for the N100 box. Depends on what you need. The N100 isn't always "better".
    - danielheath 2y ago
      10 watts isn't idling, that's working. The chip has a TDP of 6 watts, but the RAM uses some too. I turn mine down to a lower clock speed, which takes off about 3w. > You need a power brick for the N100 box. Yes, but it was included (along with the case) for $106 USD, delivered. Granted, that was on special, but AliExpress has sales that get them down to $115 USD pretty regularly.
      - VBprogrammer 2y ago
        I find it quite interesting that we're beyond the point of having an Intel processor being a massive advantage. I think 10 years ago most people would have jumped at an x86 processor with similar specs to the equivalent Raspberry Pi.
        danielheath 2y ago
        As someone who runs a lot of ARM stuff... I still find things which aren't packaged for ARM/linux with surprising frequency.
        VBprogrammer 2y ago
        I have an M1 at work. Anything off the beaten path fills me with dread and / or poor performance because I end up emulating it.
        zokier 2y ago
        Intel Edison was released 10 years ago.
      - TiredOfLife 2y ago
        In EU you add 40$ for delivery and 40$ for taxes/dues
chithanh 2y ago
ODROID-M1 with RK3568B2 is supported until 2036 at least https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44218 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44218 That a distro's principal maintainer steps down is unfortunate for anyone who is downstream from them, but it is not the end of the world. As the article mentions, other distros for Rockchip continue to exist.
- Maxious 2y ago
  From the same forum: > the official Linux kernel is more based on SoC vendor's BSP (Board Support Package) that can utilise full SoC features. And Hardkernel is able to consult with Rockchip in case we found missing SoC features only when the issue is discovered in their BSP, otherwise it's very hard. Therefore, we are managing the Linux kernel with most similar OS with the version from Rockchip, even Ubuntu 20.04 is not from Rockchip. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=47522 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=47522 > What are not working: USB 3.0 host ports > The images with upstream kernel would not be stable enough and features are not fully supported, so please do not use this image for your important project or to store important data. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=217&t=44462 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=217&t=44462 >The only thing missing is a firmware capable of booting the operating system. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?p=374526#p374526 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?p=374526#p374526
  - chithanh 2y ago
    That was the situation in 2022 and early 2023. Since late 2023, ODROID-M1 is supported by mainline u-boot (odroid-m1-rk3568 target) and you can also use a mainline kernel (6.4 or later) which provides working USB 3.0.
    - fransje26 2y ago
      Is the GPU also supported when using a mainline kernel?
      - 2y ago

danielheath 2y ago

The n100 is an intel board and all the parts used in the cheap nucs I have tried are supported on quite old mainline kernels. At about twice the price for just the pi, I got a n100 machine (with a case and power supply and 500mb ssd and 16gb ram). Draws about 10 watts, is faster on every axis, and once you setup the pi with a case/psu it’s very close to the same price.

mikae1 2y ago
> Draws about 10 watts Idling?
- mikae1 2y ago
  OK. EU prices seems to be at least two times higher for a N100 mini PC. Energy consumption seems to be 2x-3x higher. The RPi5 idles at ~3.5w and the N100 at 10w. But yeah, the N100 is faster. You need a power brick for the N100 box. Depends on what you need. The N100 isn't always "better".
  - danielheath 2y ago
    10 watts isn't idling, that's working. The chip has a TDP of 6 watts, but the RAM uses some too. I turn mine down to a lower clock speed, which takes off about 3w. > You need a power brick for the N100 box. Yes, but it was included (along with the case) for $106 USD, delivered. Granted, that was on special, but AliExpress has sales that get them down to $115 USD pretty regularly.
    - VBprogrammer 2y ago
      I find it quite interesting that we're beyond the point of having an Intel processor being a massive advantage. I think 10 years ago most people would have jumped at an x86 processor with similar specs to the equivalent Raspberry Pi.
      - danielheath 2y ago
        As someone who runs a lot of ARM stuff... I still find things which aren't packaged for ARM/linux with surprising frequency.
        VBprogrammer 2y ago
        I have an M1 at work. Anything off the beaten path fills me with dread and / or poor performance because I end up emulating it.
      - zokier 2y ago
        Intel Edison was released 10 years ago.
    - TiredOfLife 2y ago
      In EU you add 40$ for delivery and 40$ for taxes/dues

chithanh 2y ago

ODROID-M1 with RK3568B2 is supported until 2036 at least https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44218 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44218 That a distro's principal maintainer steps down is unfortunate for anyone who is downstream from them, but it is not the end of the world. As the article mentions, other distros for Rockchip continue to exist.

Maxious 2y ago
From the same forum: > the official Linux kernel is more based on SoC vendor's BSP (Board Support Package) that can utilise full SoC features. And Hardkernel is able to consult with Rockchip in case we found missing SoC features only when the issue is discovered in their BSP, otherwise it's very hard. Therefore, we are managing the Linux kernel with most similar OS with the version from Rockchip, even Ubuntu 20.04 is not from Rockchip. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=47522 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=47522 > What are not working: USB 3.0 host ports > The images with upstream kernel would not be stable enough and features are not fully supported, so please do not use this image for your important project or to store important data. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=217&t=44462 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=217&t=44462 >The only thing missing is a firmware capable of booting the operating system. https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?p=374526#p374526 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?p=374526#p374526
- chithanh 2y ago
  That was the situation in 2022 and early 2023. Since late 2023, ODROID-M1 is supported by mainline u-boot (odroid-m1-rk3568 target) and you can also use a mainline kernel (6.4 or later) which provides working USB 3.0.
  - fransje26 2y ago
    Is the GPU also supported when using a mainline kernel?
    - 2y ago