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Linked article is scant on details. This all appears to concern this Kickstarter project, which is to create a series of videos that survey common themes to ho

Linked article is scant on details. This all appears to concern this Kickstarter project, which is to create a series of videos that survey common themes to how women are represented in video games: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-wome... Here is the author's blog, which has a lot of updates about the harassment she has received as a result of it: http://www.feministfrequency.com/ http://www.feministfrequency.com/ There are some truly shocking and disturbing things in here, like the screenshots from the "game" someone made where you can beat up a photo of her face: http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassment-and-visual-misogyny/#more-3085 http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassm...

pkulak 14y ago
Nice to see that campaign funded. I wish I wasn't late to the party so I could contribute.
saturn 14y ago
> the screenshots from the "game" someone made One person. They're obviously troubled. Are we really going to let the actions of one person change the frame of the whole discussion? A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. You could probably feed in any picture you like, man or woman. It's not a weighty factor in a discussion.
- breadbox 14y ago
  The game was made by one person, yes. But it's a little misleading to emphasize that this was "one person" when they were representative of the massive amounts of anti-feminist sentiment that was sent her way. If you look through the random sampling of comments her video garnered, it's hard to claim that the video game "changed the frame of the discussion" that was already well underway.
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    You aren't seeing a random sampling though, she deletes any comments that are critical of her work or her funding method. She only leaves comments that are supportive, and ones that are abusive trolling.
    - deleted 14y ago
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    - mkr-hn 14y ago
      Do you have any evidence to back this up? edit: papsosouid was unwilling to provide evidence. You can skip this subtree and not miss anything.
      - papsosouid 14y ago
        Not really, just first hand experience having her remove my post. You could consider the fact that there are no polite yet critical comments to her as evidence, but that could also be explained by there being absolutely no people who disagree with her and are polite.
        mkr-hn 14y ago
        That's not evidence. For all I know you posted a hateful screed and it deserved to be deleted.
        papsosouid 14y ago
        I know it is not evidence. Which is why I said "not really". You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite if you think that is a more likely explanation for the complete lack of polite criticism on channels she controls even though such polite criticism clearly does exist on channels she doesn't control. You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted, despite the obvious fact that she doesn't delete those, they are all still there to view right now, and she revels in them and uses them for publicity and sympathy.
- haberman 14y ago
  > One person. Did you see the other stuff on that page? There are a lot of violent and nasty things being directed at her, by (very likely) more than just one person. > A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. I think it means a whole hell of a lot to a person who was targeted by it. The purpose of the discussion, in my view, is not to pass judgement on whether the gaming community is good or bad, but to highlight the way that women are actually being treated, so that anyone with a sense of decency can be very clear that this behavior is not tolerated and shun/shame anyone who acts in this way. But I think that explaining it away as just the actions of one troubled person runs counter to this goal. Condemning it doesn't mean you're condemning yourself or your community, just the people who act in this way.

pkulak 14y ago

Nice to see that campaign funded. I wish I wasn't late to the party so I could contribute.

saturn 14y ago

> the screenshots from the "game" someone made One person. They're obviously troubled. Are we really going to let the actions of one person change the frame of the whole discussion? A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. You could probably feed in any picture you like, man or woman. It's not a weighty factor in a discussion.

breadbox 14y ago
The game was made by one person, yes. But it's a little misleading to emphasize that this was "one person" when they were representative of the massive amounts of anti-feminist sentiment that was sent her way. If you look through the random sampling of comments her video garnered, it's hard to claim that the video game "changed the frame of the discussion" that was already well underway.
- papsosouid 14y ago
  You aren't seeing a random sampling though, she deletes any comments that are critical of her work or her funding method. She only leaves comments that are supportive, and ones that are abusive trolling.
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    Do you have any evidence to back this up? edit: papsosouid was unwilling to provide evidence. You can skip this subtree and not miss anything.
    - papsosouid 14y ago
      Not really, just first hand experience having her remove my post. You could consider the fact that there are no polite yet critical comments to her as evidence, but that could also be explained by there being absolutely no people who disagree with her and are polite.
      - mkr-hn 14y ago
        That's not evidence. For all I know you posted a hateful screed and it deserved to be deleted.
        papsosouid 14y ago
        I know it is not evidence. Which is why I said "not really". You are welcome to believe that there are no people in the world who disagree with her and are polite if you think that is a more likely explanation for the complete lack of polite criticism on channels she controls even though such polite criticism clearly does exist on channels she doesn't control. You are also welcome to believe that I posted a "hateful screed" and it was deleted, despite the obvious fact that she doesn't delete those, they are all still there to view right now, and she revels in them and uses them for publicity and sympathy.
haberman 14y ago
> One person. Did you see the other stuff on that page? There are a lot of violent and nasty things being directed at her, by (very likely) more than just one person. > A game allowing you to beat up a woman is, I hope, repulsive to any HN reader. But its existence, especially when it's so easy these days, means nothing in and of itself. I think it means a whole hell of a lot to a person who was targeted by it. The purpose of the discussion, in my view, is not to pass judgement on whether the gaming community is good or bad, but to highlight the way that women are actually being treated, so that anyone with a sense of decency can be very clear that this behavior is not tolerated and shun/shame anyone who acts in this way. But I think that explaining it away as just the actions of one troubled person runs counter to this goal. Condemning it doesn't mean you're condemning yourself or your community, just the people who act in this way.