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> ProtonMail is overhyping the "encrypted" email charade. 99% of the humanity doesn't need anything of that sort Did you mean that 99% doesn't need unencrypted

by jraph 2y ago

> ProtonMail is overhyping the "encrypted" email charade. 99% of the humanity doesn't need anything of that sort Did you mean that 99% doesn't need unencrypted mails, and 1% would love to have open bar access to the emails of others (to "fight against criminality", or to "offer" a personalized ad "experience")? I could have just ignored the whole post but this idea is harmful and needed a reply. The idea that people don't need privacy needs to die. It's not even like it is an argument against protonmail and it doesn't convince me that fastmail is better. Fwiw I don't use any of them, I don't know them, I self host my mails unencrypted but this last characteristic is a bug, not a feature.

methou 2y ago
ProtonMail's encryption is PGP, and it's difficult to get PGP right. The whole signing party thing doesn't scale. If it can't be done right, then it's just a hype at best.
- jraph 2y ago
  OK, that's a substantive comment (which I don't have the experience and knowledge required to judge), and very different from saying that people don't need encryption. It was the main thing I wanted to do: counter this statement. Now, it would not be enough to state that fastmail is better than protonmail. It matters to me because I would like to know what to suggest to someone who'd like to leave one of the big player. The original author took the time to write a Tell HN post to advise us fastmail, but fails to give an actual reason why it is better than the rest. I don't need a mailbox for myself but should I advise someone, I'd be inclined to suggest a local association, and then maybe protonmail because iirc it turned non profit. I'd be happy to find arguments for or against this. I don't much know about protonmail nor fastmail and the original post didn't advance me though it kinda wanted to. We just know that the author prefers fastmail and the post read a bit like an ad.

by jraph 2y ago

methou 2y ago

ProtonMail's encryption is PGP, and it's difficult to get PGP right. The whole signing party thing doesn't scale. If it can't be done right, then it's just a hype at best.

jraph 2y ago
OK, that's a substantive comment (which I don't have the experience and knowledge required to judge), and very different from saying that people don't need encryption. It was the main thing I wanted to do: counter this statement. Now, it would not be enough to state that fastmail is better than protonmail. It matters to me because I would like to know what to suggest to someone who'd like to leave one of the big player. The original author took the time to write a Tell HN post to advise us fastmail, but fails to give an actual reason why it is better than the rest. I don't need a mailbox for myself but should I advise someone, I'd be inclined to suggest a local association, and then maybe protonmail because iirc it turned non profit. I'd be happy to find arguments for or against this. I don't much know about protonmail nor fastmail and the original post didn't advance me though it kinda wanted to. We just know that the author prefers fastmail and the post read a bit like an ad.