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The problem is people having devices monitor different metrics of their body without the knowledge to know what to do about what they see. As mentioned in the

The problem is people having devices monitor different metrics of their body without the knowledge to know what to do about what they see. As mentioned in the article, wearables monitoring heart rate variability do quite a good job of telling people ahead of time that your body might be trying to fight something. During covid devices monitoring HRV would spike before people started to present with the symptoms of COVID-19. Monitoring every aspect of your body and going to the hospital at any sign of "out of baseline" metrics is silly. There will always be a group of people that get a "high heart rate" notification and think its an emergency, or start to make generalised diagnosis of issues.

smileysteve 2y ago
This is the premise of the issue that the author assumes, that doctors are somehow gatekeeping a cure to the common cold/flu -- a premise which is generally untrue. But, as the author's example, a cold/flu; is not generally useful to doctors, because doctors can not fight a cold. At worst, they get more visits from people with colds in their waiting rooms, are pressured into over prescribing antibiotics - which impact the individual's gut biome and society's antibiotic resistance. What's extremely odd, is an article like this in the time of telemedicine; advantageous because it uses less of a provider's time, is typically lower cost, and reduces chance of office visit infections; and of which there are very few actionable outcomes.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  Humans are complex in their emotions, they might see a metric on their wearable device that alarms them that shouldn't and they visit a hospital out of concern. People who are more "hypochondriacs" might be more likely to buy wearables and hawk eye anything that becomes out of baseline. You can't likely help those people unless you address their underlying sensitivity to their health. At the end of the day, smart devices have made people more aware of their bodies particular vitals and therefore will create more people asking for help out of concern, of which for the majority isn't likely to cause anything of concern
tzs 2y ago
> As mentioned in the article, wearables monitoring heart rate variability do quite a good job of telling people ahead of time that your body might be trying to fight something. During covid devices monitoring HRV would spike before people started to present with the symptoms of COVID-19. I think the article was talking about changes in heart rate, e.g., increases or decreases in the beats per minute. It certainly makes sense from an English point of view to call that heart rate variability but it turns out there is an actual medical term "heart rate variability" (HRV) that means something a little different. Heart rate: count the number of beats in a minute. Heart rate variability: how the beat to beat interval changes. So say if you have a rate of 60 beats per minutes the average time between beats will be 1000 ms, but the actual times will vary around that. HRV is a measure of that variation. Some wearables do track both rate and HRV.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  No I was absolutely talking about heart rate variability in my comment and I wasn't confused by the term. The article was talking about wearables being able to measure these types of metrics and what average people do in response to those metrics. The article spoke about a Ring which indicated to the author that they were becoming sick, this watch also uses HRV and uses HRV amongst other metrics to determine things like illness. Yes wearables measure both HR and HRV, I was talking specifically about HRV.
stephen_g 2y ago
I find my HRV drops when I have a virus but my resting heat rate goes way up
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  Makes a lot of sense given that a lower HRV from your baseline is considered to be a heightened stress state

smileysteve 2y ago

This is the premise of the issue that the author assumes, that doctors are somehow gatekeeping a cure to the common cold/flu -- a premise which is generally untrue. But, as the author's example, a cold/flu; is not generally useful to doctors, because doctors can not fight a cold. At worst, they get more visits from people with colds in their waiting rooms, are pressured into over prescribing antibiotics - which impact the individual's gut biome and society's antibiotic resistance. What's extremely odd, is an article like this in the time of telemedicine; advantageous because it uses less of a provider's time, is typically lower cost, and reduces chance of office visit infections; and of which there are very few actionable outcomes.

NoPicklez 2y ago
Humans are complex in their emotions, they might see a metric on their wearable device that alarms them that shouldn't and they visit a hospital out of concern. People who are more "hypochondriacs" might be more likely to buy wearables and hawk eye anything that becomes out of baseline. You can't likely help those people unless you address their underlying sensitivity to their health. At the end of the day, smart devices have made people more aware of their bodies particular vitals and therefore will create more people asking for help out of concern, of which for the majority isn't likely to cause anything of concern

tzs 2y ago

> As mentioned in the article, wearables monitoring heart rate variability do quite a good job of telling people ahead of time that your body might be trying to fight something. During covid devices monitoring HRV would spike before people started to present with the symptoms of COVID-19. I think the article was talking about changes in heart rate, e.g., increases or decreases in the beats per minute. It certainly makes sense from an English point of view to call that heart rate variability but it turns out there is an actual medical term "heart rate variability" (HRV) that means something a little different. Heart rate: count the number of beats in a minute. Heart rate variability: how the beat to beat interval changes. So say if you have a rate of 60 beats per minutes the average time between beats will be 1000 ms, but the actual times will vary around that. HRV is a measure of that variation. Some wearables do track both rate and HRV.

NoPicklez 2y ago
No I was absolutely talking about heart rate variability in my comment and I wasn't confused by the term. The article was talking about wearables being able to measure these types of metrics and what average people do in response to those metrics. The article spoke about a Ring which indicated to the author that they were becoming sick, this watch also uses HRV and uses HRV amongst other metrics to determine things like illness. Yes wearables measure both HR and HRV, I was talking specifically about HRV.

stephen_g 2y ago

I find my HRV drops when I have a virus but my resting heat rate goes way up

NoPicklez 2y ago
Makes a lot of sense given that a lower HRV from your baseline is considered to be a heightened stress state