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... Dante was exiled from the Pope and, if captured, the order was to burn him at the stake Alighieri Dante è condannato per baratteria, frode, falsità, do
by riquito 2y ago
... Dante was exiled from the Pope and, if captured, the order was to burn him at the stake
Alighieri Dante è condannato per baratteria, frode, falsità, dolo, malizia, inique pratiche estortive, proventi illeciti, pederastia, e lo si condanna a 5000 fiorini di multa, interdizione perpetua dai pubblici uffici, esilio perpetuo (in contumacia), e se lo si prende, al rogo, così che muoia
(Libro del chiodo - Archivio di Stato di Firenze - 10 marzo 1302)
- Almondsetat 2y agoThis was a political exile because his side lost and he was politically active. Very common everywhere and doesn't refute my post
- Izikiel43 2y agoEverything except pederasty seems political, that one seems iffy
- stared 2y ago"Let’s accept every excuse we’re given and accept the Church never burned anybody just for researching science. Scientists got in trouble for controversial views on non-scientific subjects like prophecies or the Trinity, or for political missteps. [...] Did Giordano Bruno die for his astronomical discoveries or his atheism? False dichotomy: you can’t have a mind that questions the stars but never thinks to question the Bible." - Kolmogorov Complicity And The Parable Of Lightning | Slate Star Codex (https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/23/kolmogorov-complicity-and-the-parable-of-lightning/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/23/kolmogorov-complicity-...)
- Almondsetat 2y agoWhy are you bringing up someone from the Reinassance when I explicitely said that the later Church got way worse than in the middle ages?
- stared 2y agoIt was not my point. The point is that it is (almost) always about politics. Just the Church changed it is the position from a firm one to one for which dissidents pose political danger. I found it surprising, but in the Middle Ages, there was a certain permission for atheism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb5mYqnKFlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb5mYqnKFlI
- michaelmrose 2y agoWhy did you reply to this singular issue where you have a defensible position in theory but not the longer one which absolutely nuked your position from orbit?
- gattilorenz 2y agoThis sentence is coming from podestà Cante de' Gabrielli da Gubbio, i.e. the equivalent of the city's government, not from the Pope or a religious authority.
- toyg 2y agoYeah but the pope was the main power behind the ruling faction's coup at the time. It's like saying that the death squads in South America (financed and trained by US agencies in the context of Operation Condor) were not executing US orders.
- gattilorenz 2y agoVery dubious claim, especially given that there is absolutely nothing related to religion mentioned in Dante’s sentence above, and that both Dante and the podestà belonged to the same party (Guelfi), but to opposed factions. Despite referring to the Pope or the Emperor, it is my understanding that the division between Guelfi and Ghibellini, or Guelfi Bianchi and Guelfi Neri, were almost exclusively based on political interests and being able to control power (see for example https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/ghibellini-e-guelfi-in-italia_%28Federiciana%29/ https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/ghibellini-e-guelfi-in-...)