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Sorry if this is a dumb question, why is this weird in Python? I use R as my main language and this is exactly how I would expect it to work. Does Python not do

Sorry if this is a dumb question, why is this weird in Python? I use R as my main language and this is exactly how I would expect it to work. Does Python not do this naturally?

faizshah 2y ago
> sum::{+/x} > count::{#x} These two expressions are not valid in R or Python. They are implicitly declaring a function without declaring the arguments, it is implicitly iterating over the array and returning the result (all features of array languages to make it more concise). Python’s + and / are a function of two objects (dyadic) and are syntactic sugar (they can’t be treated as function values, thats what the operator module is for): https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__add__ https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__... The array languages optimize for concise code so a lot of things are done implicitly that are done explicitly in Python. The python equivalent: > _sum = lambda x : functools.reduce(operator.add, x) > _count = lambda x: functools.reduce(lambda acc, _: acc + 1, x, 0) Of course in python and R there are built ins for these already (sum(x) and len(x)) but this is just to show what array languages are doing for you.
- asloan23 2y ago
  Oh I think I see what you mean. Yes I was thinking of the built-in functions of sum & length
jofer 2y ago
Klong is a different language than Python. Python using numpy would look broadly similar for the first few examples, yes. However, this is a way of executing a different language on numpy arrays. Array languages are a different paradigm. Klong is an array language, while Python + numpy allows some array paradigms, but isn't an array language. Notice how they're _defining_ the "sum" operation there. Instead of being something builtin, they defined "sum" as {+/x}. {+/x} is the interesting part. That's Klong. It's not being able to define a "sum" operation, it's that "sum" can be expressed as {+/x}. That's very different than both R and python.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, why is this weird in Python? I use R as my main language and this is exactly how I would expect it to work. Does Python not do this naturally?

faizshah 2y ago

> sum::{+/x} > count::{#x} These two expressions are not valid in R or Python. They are implicitly declaring a function without declaring the arguments, it is implicitly iterating over the array and returning the result (all features of array languages to make it more concise). Python’s + and / are a function of two objects (dyadic) and are syntactic sugar (they can’t be treated as function values, thats what the operator module is for): https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__add__ https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__... The array languages optimize for concise code so a lot of things are done implicitly that are done explicitly in Python. The python equivalent: > _sum = lambda x : functools.reduce(operator.add, x) > _count = lambda x: functools.reduce(lambda acc, _: acc + 1, x, 0) Of course in python and R there are built ins for these already (sum(x) and len(x)) but this is just to show what array languages are doing for you.

asloan23 2y ago
Oh I think I see what you mean. Yes I was thinking of the built-in functions of sum & length

jofer 2y ago

Klong is a different language than Python. Python using numpy would look broadly similar for the first few examples, yes. However, this is a way of executing a different language on numpy arrays. Array languages are a different paradigm. Klong is an array language, while Python + numpy allows some array paradigms, but isn't an array language. Notice how they're _defining_ the "sum" operation there. Instead of being something builtin, they defined "sum" as {+/x}. {+/x} is the interesting part. That's Klong. It's not being able to define a "sum" operation, it's that "sum" can be expressed as {+/x}. That's very different than both R and python.