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Yes, but that is because users demand it. And they do so begrudgingly. Users are not going to demand an ARM Windows laptop.

cogman10 2y ago
But will IT departments buy them if they are 100, 200, or $400 cheaper than a competing x86 machine? That's the question that remains to be seen.
- bluGill 2y ago
  Can those users get all the software they need? Many users who want a mac are told no because some weird software they need doesn't run on it. Others only get a mac because some executive demanded IT port that software to mac. So long as companies have any x86 only software they won't let people switch. Often "art" departments get a specific exception and they get to avoid all the jobs that require x86 only software just to run their mac. Of course these days more and more of that is moving the the cloud and all IT needs to a web browser that works. Thus making their job easier.
  - cogman10 2y ago
    > Of course these days more and more of that is moving the the cloud and all IT needs to a web browser that works. Thus making their job easier. This was the point I was going to make. While not completely dead, the days of desktop applications are quickly coming to a close. Almost everything is SAAS now or just electron apps which are highly portable. Even if it's not saas or electron, the only two languages I'd do a desktop app in now-a-days is C# or Java. Both of which are fairly portable.
    - maeil 2y ago
      The big problem is Excel. Microsoft will make sure never to give that one up. Browser version isn't enough. I'm sure Apple has their reasons for not financing a full-fledged, compatible version, but if they would it would massively increase market share. I'm guessing it's strategic - e.g. not incurring the wrath of Microsoft or a different non-technical, non-marketshare reason. The world outside of the SV tech bubble runs on Excel.
      - cogman10 2y ago
        2 things. 1. Excel now-a-days is mostly just an electron app. That's what the office 365 conversion was effectively. 2. MS has supported ARM platforms for quite some time now. [1] [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/office-windows-11-arm-starts-rolling-out-insiders https://www.windowscentral.com/office-windows-11-arm-starts-... [2] http://www.emulators.com/docs/abc_arm64ec_explained.htm http://www.emulators.com/docs/abc_arm64ec_explained.htm
- immibis 2y ago
  If Microsoft insists on treating them like phones with locked-down software stacks, still no.
  - lmm 2y ago
    Back when I worked for an F500 company, my development workstation was every bit as locked-down as a phone. Complete with having to select any software I wanted to use from the company's internal "app store" rather than installing it directly.

cogman10 2y ago

But will IT departments buy them if they are 100, 200, or $400 cheaper than a competing x86 machine? That's the question that remains to be seen.

bluGill 2y ago
Can those users get all the software they need? Many users who want a mac are told no because some weird software they need doesn't run on it. Others only get a mac because some executive demanded IT port that software to mac. So long as companies have any x86 only software they won't let people switch. Often "art" departments get a specific exception and they get to avoid all the jobs that require x86 only software just to run their mac. Of course these days more and more of that is moving the the cloud and all IT needs to a web browser that works. Thus making their job easier.
- cogman10 2y ago
  > Of course these days more and more of that is moving the the cloud and all IT needs to a web browser that works. Thus making their job easier. This was the point I was going to make. While not completely dead, the days of desktop applications are quickly coming to a close. Almost everything is SAAS now or just electron apps which are highly portable. Even if it's not saas or electron, the only two languages I'd do a desktop app in now-a-days is C# or Java. Both of which are fairly portable.
  - maeil 2y ago
    The big problem is Excel. Microsoft will make sure never to give that one up. Browser version isn't enough. I'm sure Apple has their reasons for not financing a full-fledged, compatible version, but if they would it would massively increase market share. I'm guessing it's strategic - e.g. not incurring the wrath of Microsoft or a different non-technical, non-marketshare reason. The world outside of the SV tech bubble runs on Excel.
    - cogman10 2y ago
      2 things. 1. Excel now-a-days is mostly just an electron app. That's what the office 365 conversion was effectively. 2. MS has supported ARM platforms for quite some time now. [1] [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/office-windows-11-arm-starts-rolling-out-insiders https://www.windowscentral.com/office-windows-11-arm-starts-... [2] http://www.emulators.com/docs/abc_arm64ec_explained.htm http://www.emulators.com/docs/abc_arm64ec_explained.htm
immibis 2y ago
If Microsoft insists on treating them like phones with locked-down software stacks, still no.
- lmm 2y ago
  Back when I worked for an F500 company, my development workstation was every bit as locked-down as a phone. Complete with having to select any software I wanted to use from the company's internal "app store" rather than installing it directly.