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> got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling

by thunky 2y ago

> got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment? Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign. Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.

hypeatei 2y ago
That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
- thunky 2y ago
  > That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
    - thunky 2y ago
      > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
      - hypeatei 2y ago
        Biden did not intentionally mishandle classified data. The government understands that as part of your job description at that level of government, you take documents with you. It only becomes a problem when you don't work with them to return those after you've been notified of the issue. I'm not a fan of sane washing Trump's behavior and trying to draw parallels between him and the Dems when they're just not equal. It reeks of "but muh both sides" contrarinism style argument. > able to contort the facts to justify your world view This is pure nonsense.
        thunky 2y ago
        > Biden did not intentionally mishandle classified data Pretty easy to fact check yourself if you cared to: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/national-security-experts-criticize-bidens-handling-classified-documen-rcna138689 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/national... > This is pure nonsense. You've got blinders on. Even Jon Stewart (who hates Trump) is willing to stick out his neck and call a spade a spade on this topic.
aguaviva 2y ago
34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly Like filing for public benefits in someone else's name just a matter of "filling out a form incorrectly".
- thunky 2y ago
  I was using the same language GP used when they referred to Hunter Biden's mistake. That's my whole point here, is to try to be consistent regarless of who we're talking about.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    You're right, I misread. Probably the result of hearing people make excuses for Trump's convictions on pretty much exactly the same lines, but in all seriousness.

by thunky 2y ago

hypeatei 2y ago

That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.

thunky 2y ago
> That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
  - thunky 2y ago
    > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      Biden did not intentionally mishandle classified data. The government understands that as part of your job description at that level of government, you take documents with you. It only becomes a problem when you don't work with them to return those after you've been notified of the issue. I'm not a fan of sane washing Trump's behavior and trying to draw parallels between him and the Dems when they're just not equal. It reeks of "but muh both sides" contrarinism style argument. > able to contort the facts to justify your world view This is pure nonsense.
      - thunky 2y ago
        > Biden did not intentionally mishandle classified data Pretty easy to fact check yourself if you cared to: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/national-security-experts-criticize-bidens-handling-classified-documen-rcna138689 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/national... > This is pure nonsense. You've got blinders on. Even Jon Stewart (who hates Trump) is willing to stick out his neck and call a spade a spade on this topic.

aguaviva 2y ago

34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly Like filing for public benefits in someone else's name just a matter of "filling out a form incorrectly".

thunky 2y ago
I was using the same language GP used when they referred to Hunter Biden's mistake. That's my whole point here, is to try to be consistent regarless of who we're talking about.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  You're right, I misread. Probably the result of hearing people make excuses for Trump's convictions on pretty much exactly the same lines, but in all seriousness.